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Old 09-23-2009, 07:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It is common for scientists to use work of other scientists in their research.
It is common for scientists to use work of other scientists when that work is based on fact. Or it was, until liberals politicized so many formerly scientific fields and allowed junk science that had little factual basis, to flood the field.

The classic example, is this very one: "scientists" basing their own announcements purely on the announcements of others, which in turn is based purely on the announcements of yet others, and so forth, with not one of them ever actually proving his point factually.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:54 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Yep, scientists all over the world, from Poland to New Zealand, are just brainwashed by Al Gore. He is so convincing, he couldn't even carry his own state in an election after one of the most prosperous decades in American history. But gullible scientists are much more easily convinced, apparently. It is all a giant conspiracy.
This isn't about Gore tricking the pseudo-scientists.

It's about how much money there is to be made from this.

Fear Equals Funding.

These climate bureaucrats, proclaiming their certainty that humans are causing global warming while we are in our fourth year in a row of accelerating cooling, have exactly the same motivation...and credibility...as a tobacco scientist touting the benefits of smoking.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Obama demands we work to change climate, despite no evidence man can change it

... ya ... Like trying to tie your shoelaces only to discover you've got cowboy boots on ...

What a shrew ..
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:14 PM
 
Location: New York City
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This isn't about Gore tricking the pseudo-scientists.

It's about how much money there is to be made from this.

Fear Equals Funding.

These climate bureaucrats, proclaiming their certainty that humans are causing global warming while we are in our fourth year in a row of accelerating cooling, have exactly the same motivation...and credibility...as a tobacco scientist touting the benefits of smoking.
I'm pretty sure there is a lot more money to be made (and IS being made) from continuing to dump millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Oil companies ARE like the tobacco industry.

I hope you are not suggesting that there is some vast, powerful, moneyed green industrial complex that is bribing everybody. Their revenues would be a rounding error compared to Exxon-Mobil's profits.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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and everyone with a brain (plus the literacy of a ten-year-old) knows that i wasn't talking about climate change, but rather about man's contributions to it. Which amount to zero, from everything anyone's been able to find.

That apparently excludes at least one poster to this thread.
fail.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:22 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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I'm pretty sure there is a lot more money to be made (and IS being made) from continuing to dump millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Oil companies ARE like the tobacco industry.

I hope you are not suggesting that there is some vast, powerful, moneyed green industrial complex that is bribing everybody. Their revenues would be a rounding error compared to Exxon-Mobil's profits.
No, the organizations funding the climate scare are far more wealthy and powerful than any petrochemical company.

Climate scientists get their money from the taxpayers, using the guns of government. The Federal government is far bigger and more wealthy than Exxon-Mobile.

"Scientists" at NASA and NOAA are simply seeking the larger funding that terrifying the taxpayers brings them. And I say this as a consultant who worked for NASA and NOAA, who was told this directly by scientists and executives of those organizations.

The phrase "Fear Equals Funding" is actually used by people at those organizations, when they are discussing their motivation in exaggerating these things.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:27 PM
 
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No, the organizations funding the climate scare are far more wealthy and powerful than any petrochemical company.

Climate scientists get their money from the taxpayers, using the guns of government. The Federal government is far bigger and more wealthy than Exxon-Mobile.

"Scientists" at NASA and NOAA are simply seeking the larger funding that terrifying the taxpayers brings them. And I say this as a consultant who worked for NASA and NOAA, who was told this directly by scientists and executives of those organizations.

The phrase "Fear Equals Funding" is actually used by people at those organizations, when they are discussing their motivation in exaggerating these things.
And the climate scientists in every other nation in the world? Are they, too, funded by Exxon-Mobil? Has Exxon-Mobil managed to take control of every major scientific institution in the WORLD??

‘Global warming is a hoax’—I wish James Inhofe were just a hoax ... | How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist

Okay, then.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: New York City
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kazvorpal,

Do scientists in Canada, Germany, Australia and other countries also get their money from NASA and NOAA?

And suppose what you are saying is true, what's in it for the government to keep giving money to those organizations? Also, Republicans controlled the federal government (and thus the purse strings) for the better part of this decade (with Bush and Cheney being noted oilmen). I doubt there was much money to be made from them by touting green energy and climate change.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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No evidence? Really? Then please contact every major scientific institution in every major country in the world and tell them that the evidence they have for climate change does not, in fact, exist. I'm sure they would appreciate the heads-up. Thank you.

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | A Grist Special Series | Grist
(AP) Dateline Alaska

In a stunning revelation, the Associated Press has reported that over 3,000 respected scientists will release a joint report that concludes the increase in world temperature over the last decade is directly correlated to the exploding baby seal population. During the 1980's Canada, facing pressure from environmental groups, outlawed the killing of baby seals. At that time, there were an estimated 3 million baby seals. Today there over 5 million.

Dr. Hans Down graphed the earth's mean temperature and seal populations in a sophisticated software program capable of plotting data on two separate axis. The program, MS Excel, has been tested and peer-reviewed by leading scientists. Dr. Down stated he noted the correlation accidentally, but defended the finding as "good science". "I plotted the temperatures from SAT1 using a standard line graph. SAT1 was last calibrated using an Hewlett-Packard gas chromatograph in 1988. The data is dead-on balls accurate." He then overlayed the baby seal population on a separate axis, using a normalizing factor to better equate the data. "I was stunned", exclaimed Dr. Down. "The two lines were identical!"

He sent the results of his data to over 3,000 of his fellow scientists for validation. "A finding of this magnitude requires peer review", he noted. Every single scientist agreed and concluded and that his data was accurately plotted. "The data speaks for itself - only a fool would deny the obvious." Dr. Down conjectures that the increase in seal population has resulted in more black objects in the Arctic region to absorb the suns energy, resulting in an increase in the ice melt. As the ice melts, it affects the entire climate system. "There can be no other explanation.", stated Down. "We have more baby seals and the temperature is rising."

President Obama and the Canadian Prime Minister were expected to announce a reprieve on seal hunting immediately. Obama noted that in the last six months Americans had stockpiled over 3 billion rounds of ammunition and purchased millions of new guns. He said he was confident that Americans would do whatever was necessary to lower the seal population and the temperature within days. Ford Motor Company immediately reacted by releasing a special version of their new gas-guzzling crossover wagon. Look for the Club Wagon on lots next week.
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Old 09-24-2009, 09:21 AM
 
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Right back at ya.
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