Gitmo; Not closing any time soon (ideology, dollars, terrorist, program)

[Jadex]

Originally Posted by RD5050

The way I see it ... Obama is doing the best he can with all the issues he is dealing with.

Not everything in life works out as planned.

Take the Iraq War for instance.

Wasn't it the Bush Admininstration who said in 2002 that it would be a "cake walk"?

Didn't Bush tell us it would last around 6 months at most, and cost around 60 Billion Dollars?

Didn't Bush tell us Iraqi Oil would pay for it?

Was Bush even remotely close on any of these assumptions?

You see ... we liberals know Obama is trying his best, and we accept the things he can deliver, and know some things might not be as easily accomplished as originally thought.

There are always obstacles that get in the way ... or as Donald Rumsfeld once put it ... there are "unknowns that we don't know about".

On the bright side, we liberals are as happy as can be with Obama in charge!

Unlike Republicans, we have no need to feel stressed out, and we aren't looking for new ways to be pissed off about the President every single day!

Should be an interesting 7 years for your side!

Nothing but excuses lmbo@ a happy liberal

[RD5050]

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

Let me make something even clear so you can understand it.

If the stock market is the single most important MAJOR accomplishment of Obama's as YOU STATE, then we are in deep trouble here.

9 months into the job, massive spending and all the experts in the US around him and this is all you got????

Now, lets do the facts.

Obama was suppose to be for the poor, lower middle class people who need help. He ran as the man for the little people, those without anything.

So you are now saying he is not that man? Since his ONLY major accomplishment is the rise in the stock market then he is NOT for that little man, he is for the wealthy and already well to do people.

You wont find a poor person investing in the stock market that Obama claims to be for, so which is it? He is for the poor little person or he is for the rich and wealthy who can afford to invest in the stock market?

Which is he? Since the libs whined about Bush being for the rich man and the corporations, your answer tells me he is not different then Bush was according to your whining for 8 years.

Thanks for clarifying that Obama has ZERO major accomplishments that mean a damn thing to anyone other then the rich in America.

Pretty bad record if you ask me. No wonder he is being mention as the worst ever and is passing Jimmy Carter as the worst ever.

Like it or not, your man is a complete and utter failure and a disaster.

Even you, who loves him to death know's he is a total joke.

You need to turn off Msbnc and go find a real job, you have far to much time on your hands to always be wrong on the issue.

Obamas single most important accomplishment in 9 month is that the stock market is moving. Wow, just wow.

Liberalism is near its end in America thanks to ObamAcorn and his band of mobsters.

You asked for a single MAJOR accomplishment from Obama... and I gave you one!

You didn't ask for ALL his accomplishments. You asked for just one. And that's what I gave you!

The stock market's rise is a big deal for everyone .... not just the rich. It means confidence has returned to the US economy! And new jobs will eventually follow. Employment is the LAST thing to recover after a recession.

Now onto SPENDING.

You keep bringing up Obama's massive spending in thread after thread.

Spending on what?

Please tell me what Obama spent massive money on so far this year, OTHER THAN money spent to help end the BUSH RECESSION ?

So don't bother mentioning Stimulus, bail-outs, tax credits for homebuyers, cash for clunkers etc.

And PROPOSED spending doesn't count. I am talking about REAL MONEY ALREADY SPENT THIS YEAR ... so don't bring up health care.

Let's see you BACK UP your spending argument with some facts for once? You seem to repeat this claim often enough!

[proudandwhite]

NO surprise HE LIED!

[Sunny-Days90]

Originally Posted by RD5050

You asked for a single MAJOR accomplishment from Obama... and I gave you one!

You didn't ask for ALL his accomplishments. You asked for just one. And that's what I gave you!

This is the only one and it is not what I asked, I asked for a major accomplishment that has helped all Americans.

You came up with zero.

The stock market's rise is a big deal for everyone .... not just the rich. It means confidence has returned to the US economy! And new jobs will eventually follow. Employment is the LAST thing to recover after a recession.

Confidence? How?
Obama has caused record foreclosures, bankruptcies, car repo's, added more people to welfare then any other person in the WH and the list goes on and on.

Now onto SPENDING.

You keep bringing up Obama's massive spending in thread after thread.

Spending on what?

I know, he has not spent a dime on anything, we can all see that.

Please tell me what Obama spent massive money on so far this year, OTHER THAN money spent to help end the BUSH RECESSION ?

President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that his budget would cut the deficit by half by the end of his term. But as Heritage analyst Brian Riedl has pointed out, given that Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his stimulus package, pledging to halve it by 2013 is hardly ambitious.

Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures » The Foundry

And PROPOSED spending doesn't count. I am talking about REAL MONEY ALREADY SPENT THIS YEAR ... so don't bring up health care.

Health Care for losers wont happen. If it does it will help us end liberalism in America and the majority of people do not want this scam bill to pass.


Oh how funny you are. You say do not bring up health care but then turn around and use the word proposed. I know, your liberal and want to change the rules when you know you are wrong.

What the hell do you think the stock market is? It is a risk and every day is a "proposed" hope.

Man, you are totally mixed up. A normal double standard liberal idea.

Let's see you BACK UP your spending argument with some facts for once? You seem to repeat this claim often enough!

I can back it up, facts do not lie, the man is spending at record clips and we are getting nothing for it.

Obama wants to quadruple the deficit, it would be like giving an open checkbook to a druggie who waste it away and gets nothing for it.

The Spender in Chief is a complete and utter failure and you know it.

Bush recession my butt, one hand you want to give Obama credit for the stock market then on the other hand you do not want to give Obama credit for the record bankruptcies, foreclosures, food stamps for loser etc etc.

Which way do you want it?

This economy is the dems economy, they took control in 2007 with the promise to change things, then 9 more months of total control and look what we have.

A complete financial meltdown caused by Obamas mis spending and wrongful decisions.

[RD5050]

Originally Posted by Jadex

Nothing but excuses lmbo@ a happy liberal

Having a lttle problem dealing with reality, I see?

Unable to appreciate how situations can change, and sometimes require new decisions to be made

I'm just glad Obama doesn't have that problem!

And yes ... I am an EXTREMELY happy liberal!

Thanks for noticing!

[Sunny-Days90]

Originally Posted by RD5050

Having a lttle problem dealing with reality, I see?

Unable to appreciate how situations can change, and sometimes require new decisions to be made

I'm just glad Obama doesn't have that problem!

And yes ... I am an EXTREMELY happy liberal!

Thanks for noticing!

Explain in detail what has changed at Gitmo for Obama to lie to us about closing it?

[RD5050]

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

I can back it up, facts do not lie, the man is spending at record clips and we are getting nothing for it.

Obama wants to quadruple the deficit, it would be like giving an open checkbook to a druggie who waste it away and gets nothing for it.

The Spender in Chief is a complete and utter failure and you know it.

Bush recession my butt, one hand you want to give Obama credit for the stock market then on the other hand you do not want to give Obama credit for the record bankruptcies, foreclosures, food stamps for loser etc etc.

Which way do you want it?

This economy is the dems economy, they took control in 2007 with the promise to change things, then 9 more months of total control and look what we have.

A complete financial meltdown caused by Obamas mis spending and wrongful decisions.

As I suspected ... you can't defend your Obama spending argument with any facts.

All you keep bringing up is spending related to resolving the BUSH RECESSION.

Don't like the term BUSH RECESSION?

Who contolled the government between 2003-2006 back when these PROBLEM MORTGAGES were being CREATED, and given to unqualified home buyers?

You know ... those 5 year adjustable rate mortgages (ARMS), that began to reset to higher rates beginning in early 2008, and then resulted in MASSIVE FORECLOSURES.

So between 2003-2006, REPUBLICANS build a foreclosure "time bomb" , and the DEMOCRATS get blamed when it explodes on their watch?

Sure ... that makes total sense!

Face it ... the seeds of this recession were planted when REPUBLICANS controlled the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT!

[Sunny-Days90]

Originally Posted by RD5050

As I suspected ... you can't defend your Obama spending argument with any facts.

Facts were presented, it is not my fault you do not know how to read a chart.

All you keep bringing up is spending related to resolving the BUSH RECESSION.

Don't like the term BUSH RECESSION?

Bush recession? no recession in my house, maybe in yours.

Who contolled the government between 2003-2006 back when these PROBLEM MORTGAGES were being CREATED, and given to unqualified home buyers?

Unqualified buyers? Well, lets start with Wild Bill Clinton who did this and then onto Barney Rubble Frank and Chris Dodd who found a way to make millions off these people.

And what was Obama ties to Fannie and Freddie? Of course you do not know.

You know ... those 5 year adjustable rate mortgages (ARMS), that began to reset to higher rates beginning in early 2008, and then resulted in MASSIVE FORECLOSURES.

Why did you have an adjustable rate?
People who have a poor credit history got those adjustable rates and failed to honor their contract.
Sorry to tell you but lost jobs and record foreclosures have happened under Obamas watch. If people had jobs they could pay their mortgage and Obama has lost 7 million jobs thus far.

So between 2003-2006, REPUBLICANS build a foreclosure "time bomb" , and the DEMOCRATS get blamed when it explodes on their watch?

Nope, this bomb started when Wild Bill wanted to give minorities and a group called ACORN money to help people get homes when they had a track record of screwing up. The credit score requirement was lowered to help people get home they did not deserve in the first place.

Sure ... that makes total sense!

Face it ... the seeds of this recession were planted when REPUBLICANS controlled the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT!

The seeds were planted once we let the libs take over congress and added this idiot as their boss.
Now the seed is dying and the country is falling apart, thanks to all this poor decision making by team Obama.

So, Obama was suppose to save the world, why hasn't he?

He hasn't even created one new job yet like he promised, how is he going to do anything if he cannot even create ONE SINGLE JOB?

[ZGACK]

Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC

Judging by the raging lunacy that every Palin thread receives from the liberal left, and the absence of logic in threads on issues that really matter, it is becoming increasingly clear that liberals are running out of ammnunition and have assumed the defensive position as their Chosen One proves more and more that he was all talk and no-action.

Perhaps one day they'll acknowledge that they've been duped.

Doubtful. Too much invested in The Messiah. Expect more and more baseless accusations of racism. It's how they cope.

[texdav]

They look at Obama like they did their credit cards;free stuff.But like crdit cards they are going screem when the bill come due.