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Old 09-26-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I'm a mommy and a Christian, and I care about everyone's kids. Even the ones whose mommies work hard, but can't afford health insurance.
So you don't mind being compelled to labor for the benefit of another.
Great... you've just declared your intent to be a happy slave.

Don't rattle your chains - it annoys the neighbors...
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Old 09-26-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I'm a mommy and a Christian, and I care about everyone's kids. Even the ones whose mommies work hard, but can't afford health insurance.
So why can't you support a charity that provides health insurance to mommies that work hard, but can't afford it? Or start one yourself? Why do you believe that the government has the right to force you to support these people?
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Old 09-26-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So why can't you support a charity that provides health insurance to mommies that work hard, but can't afford it? Or start one yourself? Why do you believe that the government has the right to force you to support these people?
Voluntary charity can do only so much. I've asked this question before, and never received an answer: what happens to the people that voluntary charity doesn't help? Are we just supposed to let them die and/or starve?
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Old 09-26-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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Voluntary charity can do only so much. I've asked this question before, and never received an answer: what happens to the people that voluntary charity doesn't help? Are we just supposed to let them die and/or starve?
I presume by your statement, that "we" means, that YOU aren't willing to offer your charity for their benefit.

No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another ... so that someone does not die nor starve.

Slavery is never a reasonable solution to the problem.

For if you allow slavery, for whatever reason, you deny the very foundation of freedom and liberty. And once you can deny freedom and liberty - to save this one or that one - you can deny freedom and liberty for any other expediency.

If that answer is not good enough, then feel free to donate your life's work for the benefit of others.

But do not presume that compelled labor to serve your "idealism", is anything but THIEVERY and EXTORTION.
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Old 09-26-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I presume by your statement, that "we" means, that YOU aren't willing to offer your charity for their benefit.

No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another ... so that someone does not die nor starve.

Slavery is never a reasonable solution to the problem.

For if you allow slavery, for whatever reason, you deny the very foundation of freedom and liberty. And once you can deny freedom and liberty - to save this one or that one - you can deny freedom and liberty for any other expediency.

If that answer is not good enough, then feel free to donate your life's work for the benefit of others.

But do not presume that compelled labor to serve your "idealism", is anything but THIEVERY and EXTORTION.
Uh, you are a**-uming incorrectly, bub! I'm not going any farther with an answer to someone who wants to impugn my integrity.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Uh, you are a**-uming incorrectly, bub! I'm not going any farther with an answer to someone who wants to impugn my integrity.
But what's your stand on compelling another ?
Are you a proponent of SLAVERY - involuntary servitude ?
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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But what's your stand on compelling another ?
Are you a proponent of SLAVERY - involuntary servitude ?
Both, of course! Sarcasm intended.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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How to defeat socialist propaganda by teaching the fundamentals to our children


Foundations

Declaration of Independence:
[] government's #1 job = secure rights (life, liberty, property, reputation, etc); #2 job = govern those who consent (knowingly, willingly, and intentionally);
[] government doesn't "give" rights - it protects rights that our Creator endowed us with.

Socialism = slavery
Voluntary charity is a blessing
Compulsory charity is a curse

Laboring, under duress imposed by government, for the benefit of another, is still slavery, and unacceptable, no matter what.

No one should be compelled to labor for another, just so that (fill in your favorite socialist slogan).

When a man spends someone else's money on someone else, he doesn't care how much he spends. . . But YOU should care!


Attack upon one's reputation

And if you're labeled with a slur, demand that they prove it - or they must admit they're liars and unprincipled scoundrels.

Private property rights
America's governments were founded on their promise to secure the people's absolute right to own themselves, their labor and that which they acquired by their lawful activities.

Socialism and communism abolish private property, and are eternal enemies of the American way.

Socialists and communists are thieves

From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

Collectivists, such as socialists and communists, will not rest until what you once owned is under their control. They are thieves, who are using sophisticated tools to persuade their victims to meekly surrender.

WHY the socialist left wing hate religion

Thou shalt not steal



Just say "NO" to socialism!
This is insane.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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Both, of course! Sarcasm intended.
Thank you for your honesty. However, you cannot propose involuntary servitude under Constitutional law.

What millions of Americans are unaware, is that the current socialist system is based on voluntary participation. But the majority were deceived to believe it was mandatory.

Obviously, fraud was used to induce consent. Which illustrates that no one in their right mind would voluntarily surrender their private property rights if fully informed of all the facts.

Do you advocate keeping American people ignorant and obedient to laws that do not exist?

Or do you advocate full disclosure and freedom of choice?
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:15 PM
 
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1. Parochial schools are financially supported by the churches with which they are affiliated.
2. Parochial schools often have religious who are teachers and administrators who are paid far, far less than even the lay teachers in those schools.
3. Lay teachers are paid far less than public school teachers who, we are told, are chronically underpaid.
4. Wages (including retirement costs) and facility costs are the biggest part of the public school budgets.

If you want to make a true comparison, make it between public schools and non-parochial private schools.

As for home schooling
1. It requires a parent be home with the children. In many cases that means a parent would have to quit a job. Not all families can survive if a paycheck is lost.
2. Many home schoolers use cyber schools which are charged to the school district.
3. Some home schoolers use books provided by the school district, which are paid for by the school district.
4. Parents who opt to buy their own supplies are going to spend more than $500.
5. Few parents are really knowledgable enough to teach. Unfortunately that hasn't stopped many.
6. Few if any parents are capable of teaching the advanced subjects matter that older students should be taking, particularly the advanced maths and sciences or foreign languages. Even English -- few people know correct grammar or could teach literature.
7. Many home schoolers pay tutors to teach some courses or enroll their children in courses taught by other.
8. Too many home schoolers rely on the worksheet method of teaching. It's a method that involves the memorization of facts -- or alleged facts -- and doesn't encourage critical thinking.
9. Truth be told, few parents or children want to spend that much time together. Kids want to be with kids, parents want time without kids.

1. The diocese does not support our high school. It is self sufficient through tuition.
2. Scholarships are privately donated to those who cannot afford the tuition and is not paid by the diocese.
3. School building and maintenance is through donors
4. Parochial teachers are paid somewhat less (but not significantyly less)than public school teachers- most don't want to be baby sitters anymore and dislike PC
5. The nuns and priests, with the exception of Jesuit colleges, are pretty much out of treaching. There are no nuns or priests who teach in the parochial school system in our town, which is 500,000. The teaching nuns is a thing of the past.
6. All adminstrative staff are paid by the school. There is an adjoining church, which has separate staff and expenses paid by the diocese.


So if parochial and home schooling is so bad, why do they always beat the public schools hands down in standardized tests? And don't start with that crap about selecting better students. We get alot of the "bad" kids who have been kicked out of public schools and turn them into solid citizens.
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