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Why? Toyota believes that workers in Ontario are easier and cheaper to train than their American counterparts. They also won't have to worry about health insurance costs because of Canada's taxpayer-funded single-payer health care system.
Because there was no link to the story, and because the comments were not from Toyota..
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Oh, and the comment you quoted.....not made by someone from Toyota.
Its funny that you want to criticize me for quoting comments not made by Toyota, while you go and quote comments NOT made by Toyota..
And since we're quoting,
Ontario and the Canadian government are giving Toyota $125 million in financial aid for research, training and infrastructure costs. Apparently, several U.S. states were prepared to offer much more than that, but Fedchun told the CP that any extra money would have been eaten up by additional training costs.
They took the $125M from Canada because it would have cost to much too train us because we lack work effort and need extra training.. Keep pretending it was due to health costs and responding because I havent had my daily supply of humor from people who say things that I can just repeat back to them...
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Oh, and the comment you quoted.....not made by someone from Toyota.
Most real Americans are practical. We think in economic terms. Economically speaking, a single-payer health care system is the most efficient delivering the most amount of health care at the lowest cost.
I want to get the most out of my money. It's not my job to subsidize health insurance companies. If they aren't efficient, they are gone! We know that our system of for-profit insurance is the most expensive in the world and that it delivers some of the worst results. As a real American, I despise that kind of waste.
Now insurance companies are killing businesses and taking away jobs. It's time to make a change.
Most Americans? Where are you getting your information?
Friends and family in Canada have had different types of cancers and all received timely and proper care and follow up without any financial worries.
this may be true, but I heard the past Pres if the Canadian medical association on TV about 3 weeks ago. He strongly supported their system with one exception: he says people are having complecations because of the lenght of time it takes to get tests and see specialists. I have no idea, but think he would not have said that if there weren'e some truth to it. I also have a friend whose child had a developmental problem. In Canada he couldn't even be tested until he was 2. Luckily the family got transferred to America and fell under our system. He was tested at 7 months. If he hadn't have been diagnosed and treated young his problem would have been much worse. Actually she wasn't a friend but someone we spent time with on a cruise.
Because there was no link to the story, and because the comments were not from Toyota..
I found the article. It was easy. But the part that I quoted and asked why you didn't quote it was in the OP. First post, this thread. Paragraph just above the paragraph you posted. You didn't need the article.
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Its funny that you want to criticize me for quoting comments not made by Toyota, while you go and quote comments NOT made by Toyota..
I criticized you? By what definition of the word "criticize"? I pointed something out. No wonder there's no talking to righties; they make up definitions as they go.
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And since we're quoting,
Ontario and the Canadian government are giving Toyota $125 million in financial aid for research, training and infrastructure costs. Apparently, several U.S. states were prepared to offer much more than that, but Fedchun told the CP that any extra money would have been eaten up by additional training costs.
They took the $125M from Canada because it would have cost to much too train us because we lack work effort and need extra training.. Keep pretending it was due to health costs and responding because I havent had my daily supply of humor from people who say things that I can just repeat back to them...
Keep pretending the article says nothing about health care, particularly the part I quoted about the cost of labor per hour being $4-$5 less per hour because the company doesn't have to pay for a private health care plan. Just put your blinders on and stick your head back in the sand.
I believe what I know. I have spent years studying this issue. A single payer system is the most efficient system. It provides the most health care at the least cost. That's an indisputable fact.
If you are really worried about rationing, then you should know that your for-profit insurance company rations your health care every single day. But they don't do it based on available resources... rather, they do it based on maximizing profits in the current quarter. That means that even if there is a doctor available to do the procedure, they might deny it simply because it reduces their profit margin. In fact, insurance companies currently deny 1 in 6 doctor recommended procedures. 1 IN 6!!!!
Wake up man. There really are some things that we can do better collectively. Health insurance is one of those things.
Keep pretending the article says nothing about health care, particularly the part I quoted about the cost of labor per hour being $4-$5 less per hour because the company doesn't have to pay for a private health care plan. Just put your blinders on and stick your head back in the sand.
I never claimed it said nothing about health care, I claimed that it was not a deciding factor in them opening up a new facility north, per their own statements, I'm disputing the whole thread who claims it was a deciding factor.
Do you have the ability to read the title again? "Canada taking US Jobs because of lower health costs" Hell, not even the story claims that.
Sorry, but I do not hold a corporate position with their organization in order to be authorized to speak on their behalf. You and the OP though seem to think you have the authority to though, tell me, what position do you or the OP have with Toyota that authorizes you to claim it was health care costs, and tell me if your job title is higher than the one interviewed who acknowledged it was due to costs in training?
I believe what I know. I have spent years studying this issue. A single payer system is the most efficient system. It provides the most health care at the least cost. That's an indisputable fact.
If you are really worried about rationing, then you should know that your for-profit insurance company rations your health care every single day. But they don't do it based on available resources... rather, they do it based on maximizing profits in the current quarter. That means that even if there is a doctor available to do the procedure, they might deny it simply because it reduces their profit margin. In fact, insurance companies currently deny 1 in 6 doctor recommended procedures. 1 IN 6!!!!
Wake up man. There really are some things that we can do better collectively. Health insurance is one of those things.
I call BS.. Tell me where you found the statistic that 1 in 6 procedures are denied? I also call bs on your "most efficient" system because there isnt one dam bit of evidence to support that either.
The fact that you and the OP wants to outright lie in order to try to make an issue out of Toyota moving to Canada due to health care costs is pretty pathetic. It isnt bad enough that Toyota called americans stupid and lazy, you want to classify our poor work ethic as "health care costs"...
I call BS.. Tell me where you found the statistic that 1 in 6 procedures are denied? I also call bs on your "most efficient" system because there isnt one dam bit of evidence to support that either.
PacifiCare- Denials 40%
Cigna's 33%
California Blues 28%
Kaiser Permanente 28%
More than one of every five requests for medical claims for insured patients, even when recommended by a patient's physician, are rejected by California's largest private insurers, amounting to very real death panels in practice daily in the nation's biggest state, according to data released today by the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee.
PacifiCare- Denials 40%
Cigna's 33%
California Blues 28%
Kaiser Permanente 28%
More than one of every five requests for medical claims for insured patients, even when recommended by a patient's physician, are rejected by California's largest private insurers, amounting to very real death panels in practice daily in the nation's biggest state, according to data released today by the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee.
Something doesn't seem right here. Are you sure that those claims are not rejected for lack of a correct diagnosis or procedure code? It doesn't make sense that physicians would provide services without a prior authorization or pre-certification. I don't know of any doctor who says "I will provide the service and then see if I get paid". That doesn't make sense.
Something doesn't seem right here. Are you sure that those claims are not rejected for lack of a correct diagnosis or procedure code? It doesn't make sense that physicians would provide services without a prior authorization or pre-certification. I don't know of any doctor who says "I will provide the service and then see if I get paid". That doesn't make sense.
It doesn't say that these are unpaid bills - but requests for operations that were denied. The article has specific examples of denials.
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