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Old 09-26-2009, 08:18 PM
 
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This is a perfect example of why we need health care reform:

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Toyota's $800 Million dollar plant went North.
"Those who complain that spending money on public education and health care is a drain on the economy might want to consider this story from Canada.


Earlier this month, the Canadian Press reported that Toyota decided to build a new $800 million auto assembly plant in Woodstock, Ontario. It will employ 1,300 people.


Toyota passed up hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks from several American states to build in Canada.


Why? Toyota believes that workers in Ontario are easier and cheaper to train than their American counterparts. They also won't have to worry about health insurance costs because of Canada's taxpayer-funded single-payer health care system.


"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," Gerry Fedchun, president of the Canadian Auto Parts Manufacturers' Association, told the CP."
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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This is a perfect example of why we need health care reform:

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Toyota's $800 Million dollar plant went North.
"Those who complain that spending money on public education and health care is a drain on the economy might want to consider this story from Canada.

Earlier this month, the Canadian Press reported that Toyota decided to build a new $800 million auto assembly plant in Woodstock, Ontario. It will employ 1,300 people.

Toyota passed up hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks from several American states to build in Canada.

Why? Toyota believes that workers in Ontario are easier and cheaper to train than their American counterparts. They also won't have to worry about health insurance costs because of Canada's taxpayer-funded single-payer health care system.

"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," Gerry Fedchun, president of the Canadian Auto Parts Manufacturers' Association, told the CP."
What you quoted doesnt support your argument..

Toyota claims that the workforce in general is high, which has nothing to do with health care.

Connect the dots from Toyota to your claim that they went to Canada over health care, or its just another bs posting without a link to support the argument.

P.S. After review, it actually looks like they are going to Canada because of our Government, pulling GM from their agreement with Toyota leaving Toyota with a money losing factory in California, and because other branches are non union.. http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...id=rss-top-aol
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:26 PM
 
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That was back in 2005 if I remember correctly, pretty sure the plant has been producing for a few years.
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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This is a perfect example of why we need health care reform:

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Toyota's $800 Million dollar plant went North.
"Those who complain that spending money on public education and health care is a drain on the economy might want to consider this story from Canada.


Earlier this month, the Canadian Press reported that Toyota decided to build a new $800 million auto assembly plant in Woodstock, Ontario. It will employ 1,300 people.


Toyota passed up hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks from several American states to build in Canada.


Why? Toyota believes that workers in Ontario are easier and cheaper to train than their American counterparts. They also won't have to worry about health insurance costs because of Canada's taxpayer-funded single-payer health care system.


"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," Gerry Fedchun, president of the Canadian Auto Parts Manufacturers' Association, told the CP."
The entire industrialized world is doing it. Employer based Medical Coverage is as obsolete as our railroads. Everyone else has Single Payer and the employers don't have to be involved
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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It works both ways. Ford has announced plans to reduce it's Canadian manufacturing production from 13 percent to 8 percent of North American production. Each manufacturer will have a different solution to consolidate/manage their infastructure.

In Ontario both workers and employers contribute to health insurance through a payroll tax. From an employer's point of view its a predictable cost that's easy to manage, doesn't give them any liability and won't escalate or give any surprises.
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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From an employer's point of view its a predictable cost that's easy to manage, doesn't give them any liability and won't escalate or give any surprises.
I think you hit it on the head. In addition, since health care costs are a big demand of unions, they can go to Canada and not have the demand held over their head as a union demand.
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I think you hit it on the head. In addition, since health care costs are a big demand of unions, they can go to Canada and not have the demand held over their head as a union demand.
That is very true. I wonder how the union members feel about this?

Nita
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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This is a perfect example of why we need health care reform:

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Toyota's $800 Million dollar plant went North.
"Those who complain that spending money on public education and health care is a drain on the economy might want to consider this story from Canada.


Earlier this month, the Canadian Press reported that Toyota decided to build a new $800 million auto assembly plant in Woodstock, Ontario. It will employ 1,300 people.


Toyota passed up hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks from several American states to build in Canada.


Why? Toyota believes that workers in Ontario are easier and cheaper to train than their American counterparts. They also won't have to worry about health insurance costs because of Canada's taxpayer-funded single-payer health care system.


"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," Gerry Fedchun, president of the Canadian Auto Parts Manufacturers' Association, told the CP."
And you found this in a print media recently?
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:54 AM
 
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It works both ways. Ford has announced plans to reduce it's Canadian manufacturing production from 13 percent to 8 percent of North American production. Each manufacturer will have a different solution to consolidate/manage their infastructure.

In Ontario both workers and employers contribute to health insurance through a payroll tax. From an employer's point of view its a predictable cost that's easy to manage, doesn't give them any liability and won't escalate or give any surprises.
maybe canada can support national health care because they have a huge oil exporting industry. we are an oil importer, with canada being our largest supplier!
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:56 AM
 
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It works both ways. Ford has announced plans to reduce it's Canadian manufacturing production from 13 percent to 8 percent of North American production. Each manufacturer will have a different solution to consolidate/manage their infastructure.

In Ontario both workers and employers contribute to health insurance through a payroll tax. From an employer's point of view its a predictable cost that's easy to manage, doesn't give them any liability and won't escalate or give any surprises.
maybe canada can support national health care because they have a huge oil exporting industry. we are an oil importer, with canada being our largest supplier! (we get more oil from canada than the persian gulf). it should also be noted that the canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar now. (thanks to our money printing / currency debasing)

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