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Old 09-27-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by zz4guy View Post
That article must be wrong. Obama said this wasn't true.
Obama said his health care bill didn't nor does the Baucus bill. He does not set the standard for what liberals are allowed to think, any more than Glenn Beck does for intelligent conservatives. The OP didn't mention Obama.

The following is from the OP link so where did your manufactured assertion come from?
President Obama has said he does not want health care proposals to cover illegal immigrants. The bill drawn up by Sen. Max Baucus, Montana Democrat and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, excludes illegal immigrants from his proposed health care exchange.

This is the OP link speaking from the Washington Times where is your speaking derived from?

Is truth, fact and honesty a lost are in forums now?
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The newspaper that you get your info from is highly questionable and weird.

The Washington Times was founded in 1982 by Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Unification Church


The Washington Times
Comments by the Reverened Sun Myung Moon


Are you a Moonie? Are you being influenced by the Moonies? Did you know that the highly respected Washington Times is a mouthpiece for the Reverend Sun Myung Moon? Well it's True! Here's some quotes about the Washington Times I snagged from the Moonies Website. If anyone doesn't believe me, go to the moonies website and read it for yourself. I'm not making this up. I wish I were!

The Washington Times - Comments by Sun Myung Moon

Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times
The Real Sun Myung Moon: Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times

The King of America: The amazing true story of the billionaire cult leader, his newspaper, his sushi empire, and the politicians who put a crown on his head (http://www.gorenfeld.net/book/ - broken link)
Attack the messenger without a word about the message. That is the favorite tactic of the left so I guess you are certainly one of them/
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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That article must be wrong. Obama said this wasn't true.
"'Legal permanent residents should be able to purchase their plans, and they should also be eligible for subsidies if they need it. Undocumented, if they can afford it, should be able to buy their own private plans. It keeps them out of the emergency room,' said Rep. Michael M. Honda, California Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.
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"President Obama has said he does not want health care proposals to cover illegal immigrants. The bill drawn up by Sen. Max Baucus, Montana Democrat and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, excludes illegal immigrants from his proposed health care exchange."
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:35 PM
 
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Attack the messenger without a word about the message. That is the favorite tactic of the left so I guess you are certainly one of them/

The messenger in this instance, is not to be trusted for a variety of reasons and if you cannot determine those reasons for yourself, I must ask...how long was the indoctrination process to become a moonie?
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:35 PM
 
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Opinion piece in the Moonie Times does not equal fact.
This topic, erroneous as it is, is covered in several other threads.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:02 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Raise taxes on the middle class, grant all undocumented immigrants immediate citizenship and remove border control from all borders. Pay for immigrant health care and welfare with the tears of the middle class.
Done!
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Opinion piece in the Moonie Times does not equal fact.
The Congressional Research Service came to the exact same conclusion - Rep. Wilson was right, Obama lied:

Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, August 25, 2009

In case you want to demean the messenger:

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The Congressional Research Service (CRS), known as "Congress's think tank", is the public policy research arm of United States Congress. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS works exclusively and directly for Members of Congress, their Committees and staff on a confidential, nonpartisan basis.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congres...search_Service
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The Congressional Research Service (CRS) serves as shared staff to congressional committees and Members of Congress.

Source: About the Congressional Research Service (http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/aboutcrs.html - broken link)
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:52 PM
 
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The Congressional Research Service came to the exact same conclusion - Rep. Wilson was right, Obama lied:

Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, August 25, 2009

In case you want to demean the messenger:
"Noncitizens" =/= illegal immigrants.
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:50 AM
 
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So all those closings of hospitals here in Ca. came about because of PAYING members.
As I'm sure you've looked into the matter of hospital and clinic closings, you already know that it is the health care financing system that undercuts profitability. If you set up a system in which one in six people has no insurance, have no control over the density of such uninsureds in any local market, and set up impractical and ineffective means of addressing the uncovered costs incurred by hospitals and clinics in those local markets where the share of uninsureds is higher than average, you will get patterns of unprofitability that cause excessive numbers of facilities to close. If you set up practical and effective systems, you will not.

Approximately seven out of every eight uninsured persons is either a citizen or an otherwise legal resident. The illegal immigrants that you imagine to be the cause of the problem are but a tiny portion of it. The relative concentration of such immigrants in certain areas makes them only less tiny, and such problems as they present for the profitability of front-line health care providers arise from their insurance status, not from their immigration status. It is health care and health care financing reform, not immigration reform, that is neded if we wish to address this problem.

Last edited by saganista; 09-28-2009 at 05:09 AM..
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:02 AM
 
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Twenty-nine Democrats signed on to the letter on legal immigrants, while 21 signed the letter on covering illegal immigrants. Although the leadership of the Congressional Black Caucus signed the legal-immigrant letter in their capacity as CBC officials, they signed the other letter as individual members of Congress.

This is why Democrats hold power for two years before they get tossed out.
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