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Old 10-29-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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The military acted on orders from the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court of Honduras rejects the idea that this was even a coup.
The problem with this is that no case worked its way into the Supreme Court to allow them to make a ruling. The Supreme Court may have ordered Zelaya removed from office, but did they have the authority to remove him from the country? The problem is that Zelaya tried to shortcut the Honduran Constitution with his actions, and that was wrong. But his opposition didn't just try to shortcut the Constitution with their actions, they actually did so, and so they are equally in the wrong.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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If he did anything wrong, they should have removed him from power the right way.
And now? Maybe they should stage new elections, in which both the old and the new president are not allowed as candidates. And of course he has to be allowed to return home. They can still sue him if he had already committed any crime.

What is it that makes it so hard for presidents and other leaders to give up power? This would not be first case where a leader wanted to change the constitution just in order to be allowed reelection.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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The military acted on orders from the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court of Honduras rejects the idea that this was even a coup.
Why didn't they wait for the impeachment process which was in progress at the time? Why was there this need for (what the supporters don't want to call) a coup?
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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"He asked the military for logistical assistance running the poll."


Are you taking some sort of medication?
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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He asked the military for logistical assistance running the poll.

Again, they tossed him out because they wanted to seize power. The poll issue was just an excuse. The court nominated one of their own judges to occupy the office of the president. Come one now.

Also, they threw him out of the country, which is in violation of the unconstitutional. According to Honduran constitution no Honduran citizen can be thrown out of the country. So, these guys pretend to be the guardians of the constitution, when the truth is they trampled on the constitution on the very same day they said they were protecting it.

Well, it is what it is. I fear Honduras is becoming a dictatorship, but I hope I am wrong.
Who is "they?" You're talking about the congress and the supreme court. This was not a coup--military or otherwise. It was due process of the law. Incidentally, Michilletti, the interim president, is a member of Zelaya's own party. That would be like Harry Reid taking over from Obama if he were kicked out of office. Zelaya is a bad dude, supported by other bad dudes like Chavez, Castro and Ortega. That Obama has made common cause with those reprobates is quite disturbing.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:26 PM
 
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Who is "they?" You're talking about the congress and the supreme court. This was not a coup--military or otherwise. It was due process of the law. Incidentally, Michilletti, the interim president, is a member of Zelaya's own party. That would be like Harry Reid taking over from Obama if he were kicked out of office. Zelaya is a bad dude, supported by other bad dudes like Chavez, Castro and Ortega. That Obama has made common cause with those reprobates is quite disturbing.
Impeachment process that was in progress was due process of the law. Was it not?
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Why didn't they wait for the impeachment process which was in progress at the time? Why was there this need for (what the supporters don't want to call) a coup?
I suspect they felt the heat from Hugo Chavez' nasty breath breathing down their collective necks and decided they didnt have time to wait.

all 15 members of their Supreme Court were in agreement.

The Army was in agreement.

Their congress appears to be in agreement.

Can you imagine the American Supreme Court deciding 9-0 on anything?

Also while we are calling it a Coup, also remember that Zelaya was ousted not by oppostion party people, but by EVERYBODY including his own party.

AND we clearly are headed for an election in November. An election that will not include the sitting interum president.

They are doing their best to handle their own business and America is sticking its nose where it doesnt belong. What we ought to be doing is helping them prevent Hugo Chavez from getting control of this country.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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Impeachment process that was in progress was due process of the law. Was it not?
Evidently the Honduran Supreme Court decides what is due process for their country and they acted.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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I suspect they felt the heat from Hugo Chavez' nasty breath breathing down their collective necks and decided they didnt have time to wait.

all 15 members of their Supreme Court were in agreement.

The Army was in agreement.

Their congress appears to be in agreement.

Can you imagine the American Supreme Court deciding 9-0 on anything?

Also while we are calling it a Coup, also remember that Zelaya was ousted not by oppostion party people, but by EVERYBODY including his own party.

AND we clearly are headed for an election in November. An election that will not include the sitting interum president.

They are doing their best to handle their own business and America is sticking its nose where it doesnt belong. What we ought to be doing is helping them prevent Hugo Chavez from getting control of this country.
Hugo Chavez was not trying to get control of this country.

The Supreme Court, like the legislature, is composed of the wealthy landowners in Honduras. They opposed Zelaya for doing things like bringing in doctors to set up temporary clinics for the poor. Zelaya was considered a traitor to his party because he began to advocate for the people of Honduras.

There was no urgent emergency that required a coup. Even if Zelaya could have successfully staged a referendum, which is doubtful given that he didn't have any political allies, no judicial support, no military support, the referendum could have/would have simply been ignored by the legislature because it wasn't legitimate.

Impeachment could have continued, with Zelaya given the opportunity to have his say in court. Unless? No, it couldn't be that the people in power didn't want Zelaya given an opportunity to explain to the Honduran people and to the world his actions. No, that couldn't have been the reason why they invaded his home in the middle of the night, and then spirited him out of the country. Surely not.
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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Who is "they?" You're talking about the congress and the supreme court. This was not a coup--military or otherwise. It was due process of the law.
The military picked him up and deported him, which in itself is a violation of the Consotutution of their country, because their constitution does not allow deportations of citizens. If you don't see that they used the poll issue as an excuse to seize power, then I'd have to say "there none as blind as those who refuse to see".
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