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Old 09-28-2009, 02:14 PM
 
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If she doesn't want to be held accountable for the things she says maybe she should stop saying stupid things.
Maybe that's what her advisors told her, and why she didn't respond to this reporter's question.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:14 PM
 
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You are still saying the murderers were motivated by Bachmann's remarks. And you have no foundation for that assertion. I'm not defending Bachmann for her remarks, which were egregious. I'm saying that we don't know why this man was killed, and when we do find out, the reasons may have nothing to do with Bachmann and her rhetoric.
and why do you think he was killed?
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:15 PM
 
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If she doesn't want to be held accountable for the things she says maybe she should stop saying stupid things.
She is republican...
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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Maybe that's what her advisors told her, and why she didn't respond to this reporter's question.
Well let's hope it's a sign that she stops saying dumb things all together instead of avoiding being held accountable for past remarks.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:20 PM
 
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and why do you think he was killed?
I don't know why he was killed. That's my point. None of us do.

It's too tempting to start assigning blame before all the facts come out. But we need to resist the temptation, because otherwise, we are contributing to hysteria in the same way that the unsupported accusations against Obama contribute to hysteria. If you want to be on the side of rationality, then you have to behave rationally.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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I don't know why he was killed. That's my point. None of us do.

It's too tempting to start assigning blame before all the facts come out. But we need to resist the temptation, because otherwise, we are contributing to hysteria in the same way that the unsupported accusations against Obama contribute to hysteria. If you want to be on the side of rationality, then you have to behave rationally.
Must be all those hate filled TeaBaggin' & Town Hall Meetings, yea I gotcha ... I mean why point blame where blame is due?
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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Must be all those hate filled TeaBaggin' & Town Hall Meetings, yea I gotcha ... I mean why point blame where blame is due?
Again, the rational process would be to assign blame when it becomes clear where to assign blame. Waiting for the facts to emerge, that is the rational path.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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I don't know why he was killed. That's my point. None of us do.

It's too tempting to start assigning blame before all the facts come out. But we need to resist the temptation, because otherwise, we are contributing to hysteria in the same way that the unsupported accusations against Obama contribute to hysteria. If you want to be on the side of rationality, then you have to behave rationally.
i agree. i've pointed out the similarity between this and the case where the pro-life protester was shot a few weeks ago to the other side, so i might as well point it out here - when that guy was shot, there were many on the right who instantly assumed (within a couple of hours) that the murder was done by a pro-choicer because the guy was pro-life. in fact the motive was never conclusively proven (i don't think the killer's stance on the issue is known, and he is clearly very mentally ill), but some people still hold the victim up as a martyr of the pro life movement and use his death to attack the pro choice movement.

it is just as unfair and unwise to definitively pin this murder on right wing anti-government/census sentiment and on bachmann in particular. as of right now we don't know who did it and we don't know why. anyone can speculate, but stating speculation as fact is never a good idea.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Again, the rational process would be to assign blame when it becomes clear where to assign blame. Waiting for the facts to emerge, that is the rational path.
damn, you must be a lawyer...? really, it doesn't look good does it? I mean how many liberals do you think live in the backcountry of a red state like Kentucky, seriously? The circumstances and logisitcs have to be damning.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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the politics of the killer don't necessarily indicate that the death was or wasn't political. and most people in this country don't care about politics at all.

i think it's possible that it was someone with some paranoid anti-census stance, but it could have also been that the guy stumbled upon something illegal going on. both scenarios are realistic possibilities.
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