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Old 09-28-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Here
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KRAMERCAT, WOW!!! I cannot believe I actually agree with you on something. Maybe I should go back and reread.....
Every once in awhile Kramercat will throw something out there that I can agree wholeheartedly with.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:06 PM
 
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While that sounds good, wouldn't infusing low wage workers cause employers to fire some of their higher paid employees?

I don't see anything wrong with the government providing those on food stamps or Welfare a chance to go to college. We just have to make sure they're not getting degrees where it's hard for them to get a job.

I always thought there was a certain amount of time someone can be on Welfare.
I have something against inertia. I believe that requiring people to work for their livelihood would accomplish myriad goals.

1 It would re-establish the work ethic.

2.It would cause people to think twice about popping kids out and expecting the government or mommy and daddy to take care of them.

3. It would allow parents to kick out their deadbeat kids with a clear conscience, knowing that they won't starve if they are willing to work.

4. It would provide the workforce with millions of low-paid workers to compete with foreign low-wage competitors (and the government would provide low cost housing)

5. It would force private companies to compete with government companies.

6. I believe in free higher education for all citizens who can pass the courses - this is needed to compete in the world economy, and strengthen our country.

The 'safety net' for those who can't even hold a government job would be in the form of charities and basic government shelters.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:16 PM
 
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You're proposing what FDR did in the 1930's with the CCC, WPA and such. I would support replacing welfare and unemployment handouts with that.
I am not sure what FDR's programs entailed, but I do know that millions of bodies of dormant potential energy, can release tons of productive kinetic work when they are set in motion on work tasks, ie, roads, bridges, daycare, senior care, higher education, etc. The quality of our culture has deteriorated. The rapper culture says to live it up, not by working, but by selling drugs or pimping. The corporate world says you make money thru taking as much as you can without getting caught. The moral dynamics of this country are lagging, and we are seeing the results of that. A populace set in motion on productive tasks is the only solution at this point. There is nothing else at this point that can do this. The private sector is not creating new jobs. We are being propped up by government spending, and that go on much longer.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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We need to replace Welfare with Workfare, and provide Medicare only to those who paid into it. There are thousands of people who illegally take Medicare via a 'medical card', food stamps, and Welfare. A low wage workforce can rebuild the manufacturing base, construct housing and provide daycare, and if it is government run - well, that isn't such a shocking thought anymore. Free housing and meals can be provided to the low wage workforce, again by government workers. If private industry cannot provide the jobs, the government should, by using the money it used to give away. Money for doing nothing should become an antiquated idea.
I whole heartedly agree!
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I whole heartedly agree!
Tell me who qualifies for Medicare now. Be explicit, show your work.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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Yeah, let 'em die in the streets. And don't use my tax dollars to haul of the bodies, let the vultures and rats eat 'em.
Well why don't you suggest a better solution to the current debacle of a system that is being abused constantly by the lazy and those who deliberately don't want to contribute positively to society?

Didn't think you had a better plan

Tell me again how reading PA is doing with its welfare state...... 34.5% below poverty with a huge discrepancy between whites (15%) and blacks and hispanics (48 and 50%)

Sounds like those dem policies are working wonders in your city
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:16 PM
 
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Tell me who qualifies for Medicare now. Be explicit, show your work.
I really think he meant medicade, not medicare
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I am not sure what FDR's programs entailed, but I do know that millions of bodies of dormant potential energy, can release tons of productive kinetic work when they are set in motion on work tasks, ie, roads, bridges, daycare, senior care, higher education, etc. The quality of our culture has deteriorated. The rapper culture says to live it up, not by working, but by selling drugs or pimping. The corporate world says you make money thru taking as much as you can without getting caught. The moral dynamics of this country are lagging, and we are seeing the results of that. A populace set in motion on productive tasks is the only solution at this point. There is nothing else at this point that can do this. The private sector is not creating new jobs. We are being propped up by government spending, and that go on much longer.
You will never be able to offer someone the amount of money they can earn by "drugs or pimping" so how will that help the problem? Also our corporations are nearly ALL built on STOCK performance now...which means they are only looking at the profits they can show today...there is no incentive to make things better for tomorrow.
I agree our work ethic is screwed up. But IMO you won't fix it by penalizing (or enslaving) the poor.
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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We need to replace Welfare with Workfare, and provide Medicare only to those who paid into it. There are thousands of people who illegally take Medicare via a 'medical card', food stamps, and Welfare. A low wage workforce can rebuild the manufacturing base, construct housing and provide daycare, and if it is government run - well, that isn't such a shocking thought anymore. Free housing and meals can be provided to the low wage workforce, again by government workers. If private industry cannot provide the jobs, the government should, by using the money it used to give away. Money for doing nothing should become an antiquated idea.
So, folks born with Cerebral Palsy or Spina Bifida should???
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:37 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Great idea you know I am for, but, with the liberals running things it wont happen.
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