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Old 09-30-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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Is this IQ based on SAT because rich kids get tutored for that
so that messes up any proof of anything...

Is there a study of all poor kids vs. all rich kids or something?

Or even all poor black kids vs all poor asian kids vs all poor hispanic kids
and all poor white kids etc.

otherwise I don't see how the test prove much of anything
outside of if we are so smart, why can't we find solutions to
social problems.


RFSilver
No IQ results are based on IQ tests. The SAT is an aptitude test. The SAT tests mostly accumulated knowledge and not IQ.

Yes, sociologists and IQ experts have taken socio-economic status into account in their studies. That's an obvious one. They have also taken many other things into account. Too many to mention and many that we have not even thought of. There are experts that dedicate their careers to the study of such things.

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Old 09-30-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by RFSilver View Post
Is this IQ based on SAT because rich kids get tutored for that
so that messes up any proof of anything...

Is there a study of all poor kids vs. all rich kids or something?

Or even all poor black kids vs all poor asian kids vs all poor hispanic kids
and all poor white kids etc.

otherwise I don't see how the test prove much of anything
outside of if we are so smart, why can't we find solutions to
social problems.


RFSilver
IQ test are different than SAT tests You can't study for a IQ test
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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IQ test are different than SAT tests You can't study for a IQ test
You are correct. IQ tests do not test for knowledge. Therefore there is nothing to study.

- Reel
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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You are correct. IQ tests do not test for knowledge. Therefore there is nothing to study.

- Reel
thx it's to test your ability to learn. Have you ever heard of the IQ test were than use a flashing dot on a monitor and you must react to it.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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thx it's to test your ability to learn. Have you ever heard of the IQ test were than use a flashing dot on a monitor and you must react to it.
Yes! That's part of an IQ test for folks who have little or no knowledge. They use such things as shapes and reaction times.

Most IQ test require a certain amount of knowledge. For example, for most of the tests we've seen a knowledge of English is necessary. Of course you couldn't give an IQ test in English to someone who doesn't know English and assume he has a low IQ.

But how could you test the IQ of someone who has little grasp of any language never mind any math or science, etc.

Unfortunately some folks misuse the word intelligence to mean someone who knows a lot. Then they claim some groups like Northeast Asians have a higher IQ because their culture emphasizes education. The sad thing is that I've seen some dictionaries that claim this is one definition of the word just because people use it that way. I think it's a sad state of affairs how the English language changes like that. It confuses folks when they are talking about such things as intelligence. Oh well.

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Old 09-30-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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We all worried about Barrack Obama sitting in the church of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years listening to his anti-white, anti-American rants. The white man created AIDS and introduced it into the black community. The white man built the prisons and then introduced drugs into the black community so they could arrest the blacks and put them into the prisons. Wright railed against a country run by 'rich white men'.

Clearly such rants were designed to agitate the black community but the blacks and the liberals all told us, 'no, this is a good church that does good things for the community'. We are all seeing how successful these 'programs' to help the black community have been. We are all seeing the results of this agitation of which Barrack Obama was part of.
Tell me, do you also blame Mother Teresa for continued poverty in Calcutta. Rev. Wright and Trinity UCC have successfully enabled hundreds if not thousands of youth to escape the poverty that exists in the neighborhood where the Church sits. Rev. Wright and Trinity have fostered a culture of achievement not dependency.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:07 AM
 
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I was a community organizer as a youth and worked in lower class
white neighborhoods. What are you talking about?

Other Conservative White Christians did the same.

Helping the people there is now some liberal plot? hmmmm....

This implies that WHITE Conservative youth, or WHITE
Republican youth forfeited their religious convictions and its
only LIBERALS that take any active part in community
organizing.

You couldn't be more wrong.

How did you spend your youth...


RareWonder
They've been trained to fear and loathe the concept "community organizer". (It's still necessary that they keep the word "community" for themselves, so it has two meanings, one "good" and one "bad"; "organize" has been scary for years.) It didnt take long to do it, either. Of course, they'd never even heard the phrase before Obama came on the scene, so that made it easy to indoctrinate them quickly.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:14 AM
 
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The same is true of poor white neighborhoods if what you are talking about is poverty. I just do not see the violence in poor white neighborhoods that I see in poor black neighborhoods.
What do you make of this, from this thread (and earlier in this present one)?

These are small towns in Mississippi:
  • "Belzoni, is 70% black and has median income of 20,000. It is the safest city in Mississippi
  • Roxie, which is the third safest city in MS, is 60% black with a median income of 24,000.
  • Summit is 68% black. It is the fourth safest city in MS with a median income of less than 22,000
  • Louisville 52% black, no murder rate and a median income 27,000 dollars
  • Bruce is 44% black
  • Charleston is 60% black with a murder rate of 0.0 per 100,000 people the median income in Charleston is 18,000 dollars."
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:15 AM
 
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"Community organizing" is what put Obama in the White House. Seems like it helped just fine.
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Old 10-01-2009, 03:51 AM
 
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Tell me, do you also blame Mother Teresa for continued poverty in Calcutta. Rev. Wright and Trinity UCC have successfully enabled hundreds if not thousands of youth to escape the poverty that exists in the neighborhood where the Church sits. Rev. Wright and Trinity have fostered a culture of achievement not dependency.
Ok, that's fine. Tell me what is his agenda for saying that the white man invented AIDS to kill black people? Why does he say that whites introduced drugs into the black community for the purpose of being able to arrest them and put them into prison. What is he trying to accomplish with this kind of rhetoric?

I think the good Reverent has created more violent people than the number of people he has helped escape the poverty. He has extreme views. He is an extremist. Mother Teresa was no extemist. You've got 'em the size of Manhatten to compare Wright to Mother Teresa, my friend!

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