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Well then I guess all the ads I see under the rental section saying "Non-Smoking", or the signs I see on the front doors of apartment buildings as I walk by that say "Non-Smoking" are either a figment of my imagination or the landlords are lying. That's very strange some of you have never heard of non-smoking apartment buildings.
Who here lives in an apartment? I do. The smoke comes through the walls. Newer apartments tend to have back to back same rooms so, for example, on the other side of your bedroom is someone else's bedroom. I'm waiting to see if they legalize marijuana. I'll join in any lawsuit there. I'd rather have a neighbor sticking a needle in his arm.
You move into an apartment under a lease and have no control over when your neighbors move in and out. You could be perfectly happy with your neighbors and then 3 months later someone else moves in to ruin it and you're stuck with them for another 9 months. I have never heard of a smoke free apartment complex or smoke free apartment buildings and I've lived in apartment complexes in 3 different states.
If you live in an apartment and you have smoke or it's odor coming through your walls, then you best be at the complex office talking to someone, there is an issue. I would be very concerned. With firewalls, there is no way that can happen.
You may not have control over your neighbors but you do have control over you renew your lease if you are unhappy. And in this particular case, these people renewed. And yes, there are several places... SFH, apartments and condos that are non smoking.
If someone wants to smoke, that is their business as is what they do in their own home (as long as it is legal). How arrogant of someone to think that the smoker should stop smoking to appease another.
Well then I guess all the ads I see under the rental section saying "Non-Smoking", or the signs I see on the front doors of apartment buildings as I walk by that say "Non-Smoking" are either a figment of my imagination or the landlords are lying. That's very strange some of you have never heard of non-smoking apartment buildings.
In the communist state of New Mexico, it shall be illegal to smoke within 25 feet of any entry-way of a public building.
New Mexico State Information -- American Lung Association SLATI (http://slati.lungusa.org/state-teml.asp?id=31#CIA - broken link)
Well then I guess all the ads I see under the rental section saying "Non-Smoking", or the signs I see on the front doors of apartment buildings as I walk by that say "Non-Smoking" are either a figment of my imagination or the landlords are lying. That's very strange some of you have never heard of non-smoking apartment buildings.
Don't get me wrong - I hate smoke. I don't even want a smoker to sit on my furniture. However, when I see an ad that says "non-smoking" I always assume it's a private condo. Maybe not. I've honestly never seen a non-smoking sign you mentioned, except in a hotel. Actually, I think it's a great idea, although I frankly don't care what my neighbor does in her own place. Prohibiting smoking might also lower the cost of building insurance.
In my last post I was only saying that I find it hard to believe someone can actually smell cigarette smoke from the next apartment unless the tenants keep their doors open or sit out on the balcony to smoke. Then the smoke will travel to other areas of the building.
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In the communist state of New Mexico, it shall be illegal to smoke within 25 feet of any entry-way of a public building.
What's wrong with that? I wish most stores would follow this practice. It's not easy for a nonsmoker to walk through a cloud of smoke and it's not fair to expect someone to inhale another person's poison, is it?
Who here lives in an apartment? I do. The smoke comes through the walls. Newer apartments tend to have back to back same rooms so, for example, on the other side of your bedroom is someone else's bedroom .
As already mentioned there is firewall between the two dwellings, not sure how they do it in modern building techniques but double blocks are common in my area and they usually have 1 foot+ thick brick wall running up between them. The idea is if one side catches on fire the other doesn't sustain any major fire damage. She's suggesting this smoke is coming through a solid wall probably made of concrete blocks.
Don't get me wrong - I hate smoke. I don't even want a smoker to sit on my furniture. However, when I see an ad that says "non-smoking" I always assume it's a private condo. Maybe not. I've honestly never seen a non-smoking sign you mentioned, except in a hotel. Actually, I think it's a great idea, although I frankly don't care what my neighbor does in her own place. Prohibiting smoking might also lower the cost of building insurance.
In my last post I was only saying that I find it hard to believe someone can actually smell cigarette smoke from the next apartment unless the tenants keep their doors open or sit out on the balcony to smoke. Then the smoke will travel to other areas of the building.
What's wrong with that? I wish most stores would follow this practice. It's not easy for a nonsmoker to walk through a cloud of smoke and it's not fair to expect someone to inhale another person's poison, is it?
Did I say there was something wrong with that? NO. Which is why you missed the last sarcastic line in my post. Government will control all of us some day, we'll just be little drones, going about aimlessly, doing what we're told to do, and what not to do by big brother. Don't you think anti-smoking policies were already in effect in workplaces, retail establishments, and so forth? Eventually, people won't be smoking period.
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Connie, you are exaggerating for sure. I live in Milwaukee, where smoking is still allowed & there are many MANY complexes that are non-smoking. You cannot even tell me that there are NO complexes where you live in California that is non-smoking. ESPECIALLY considering that state went smoke-free. Come on, whenever this subject comes up I'm beginning to think that you complain just to complain.
I have never seen any non-smoking apartment complexes advertised, at least in my area. When I moved in here, I did not think that this would be an issue as I've never experienced walls so paper thin where the smell of a neighbor's cigarette can actually enter someone else's unit. This is my very first apartment so I was very inexperienced when moving here. Hopefully there are some non-smoking units somewhere in So Cal. By the way, the state isn't smoke free as I'm constantly inhaling someone else's cigarette when I'm outside. It's only prohibited in public buildings and some colleges have outlawed smoking but California is far from being a smoke-free state.
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Who here lives in an apartment? I do. The smoke comes through the walls. Newer apartments tend to have back to back same rooms so, for example, on the other side of your bedroom is someone else's bedroom. I'm waiting to see if they legalize marijuana. I'll join in any lawsuit there. I'd rather have a neighbor sticking a needle in his arm.
You move into an apartment under a lease and have no control over when your neighbors move in and out. You could be perfectly happy with your neighbors and then 3 months later someone else moves in to ruin it and you're stuck with them for another 9 months. I have never heard of a smoke free apartment complex or smoke free apartment buildings and I've lived in apartment complexes in 3 different states.
Same here Laura. I have gone through several neighbors and two of them (including my current neighbor) are heavy smokers. The smell is really bad in the bathroom which abuts his bathroom. I also can hear his music and water running in his tub (which isn't a big issue for me as I can just remove the hearing aids )
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As already mentioned there is firewall between the two dwellings, not sure how they do it in modern building techniques but double blocks are common in my area and they usually have 1 foot+ thick brick wall running up between them. The idea is if one side catches on fire the other doesn't sustain any major fire damage. She's suggesting this smoke is coming through a solid wall probably made of concrete blocks.
California uses wood not concrete. I can see how the concrete walls in your area would prohibit cigarette smells from going into another unit but California doesn't use concrete due to earthquake building standards.
Did I say there was something wrong with that? NO. Which is why you missed the last sarcastic line in my post. Government will control all of us some day, we'll just be little drones, going about aimlessly, doing what we're told to do, and what not to do by big brother. Don't you think anti-smoking policies were already in effect in workplaces, retail establishments, and so forth? Eventually, people won't be smoking period.
Well, not to go back & forth on this, but I believe I did catch your sarcasm. I think you misunderstood me when I wrote "what's wrong with that?" I wasn't talking about people smoking in front of buildings, but imposing the 25 foot smoking ban. I don't think there's anything wrong with anti-smoking laws. Regarding the 3 drink maximum at bars, I wish everyone who drinks should turn in their car keys at the door.
As far as the "government" controlling us, I clearly remember going to the voting booth and casting my vote. Over 70% voted to ban smoking in restaurants. Florida is a very conservative state. IIRC Jeb Bush was Governor from 1999 to 2007 and Charlie Crist is now Governor. Republican Governor, Republican controlled Legislature. Still, a statewide ban was imposed about 5 years ago because 71% of the people voted for it.
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Well, not to go back & forth on this, but I believe I did catch your sarcasm. I think you misunderstood me when I wrote "what's wrong with that?" I wasn't talking about people smoking in front of buildings, but imposing the 25 foot smoking ban. I don't think there's anything wrong with anti-smoking laws. Regarding the 3 drink maximum at bars, I wish everyone who drinks should turn in their car keys at the door. 
