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I'm no fan of Olberman by a long shot but he did present a good case on behalf of health reform.
Regardless of what people may think of him of even of MSNBC, they seem to have been at least in part, instrumental in changing the tone of the health care debate.
A month ago it was nothing but tea parties on tv, today, it seems there is one ad after another that is pro-health care reform.
I am not willing to ruining a healthcare system because Olbermann is exploiting the plight of this girl. If we had the socialized medical system he wants, she would still be waiting on a doctor to see her!!
So what is stopping you now? Write the check today. Send it to the government or to your favorite charity that provides medical services for the needy. You have to wait until the government forcibly removes the money from your paycheck and then count yourself as charitable? Not the same at all. It will be years before this program is up and running (if it passes), that will be too late for too many people (including Keith's buddy)...act now if it is a cause you feel passionate about. Even then, more than 20 million will not have enough insurance coverage...send them some money too!!
Ahhhh, the love of money and greed.......delusions of one day being "super-wealthy".........are stronger than the fear of death it seems. Or perhaps it's a matter of denial that death will ever find "you all" and denial that perphaps YOU just may need help getting the medical attention you need.
Btw, health care reform will not be too late for your children or their children.....even if Keith's buddy does have to tough it out alone now.
A close friend of mine's mother had a stroke 8 months ago. She was confined to bed for all of that time. A month ago she had a heart attack followed by pneumonia. She passed a few weeks ago.
Her husband lost his business several years ago and was jobless. Medicare covered everything of what was a very costly illness.
My parents are on medicare. No compliants!
I wish it were that way for everyone but the fact is it isn't. If Medicare covered everything, then why would so many seniors have to carry supplemental insurance? Almost everyone has Humana's Gold Plus Plan, AARP, or some extra insurance. What about the ppl who have worked many years, are now elegable to retire(like my mom), but can't because although they are over 60, they can't afford to go without insurance and can't afford to pay for their own. No job(even after a lifetime of service) = no health insurance, unacceptable. If she were to retire now, she could keep her current health insurance, hey, it only costs $700.00 a month. Point is, she's tired, sick, and stuck in a job she can't leave because she can't lose her insurance benefits. Back in the day, retirees had their insurance covered by their former employers as part of their retirement packages, no more.
So what is stopping you now? Write the check today. Send it to the government or to your favorite charity that provides medical services for the needy. You have to wait until the government forcibly removes the money from your paycheck and then count yourself as charitable? Not the same at all. It will be years before this program is up and running (if it passes), that will be too late for too many people (including Keith's buddy)...act now if it is a cause you feel passionate about. Even then, more than 20 million will not have enough insurance coverage...send them some money too!!
That is not remotely close to anything I said.
Who says I don't give to charitable causes? In any case, me throwing money at charity to a point is saying, there's a bigger problem that I'm just going to remedy with short term fixes. I'll help a few directly sure, but over the long haul more people will die and get sick.
I'm not looking for a take over, but rather stop the current and systemic rationing of healthcare by the insurance companies who are running inefficiently.
And just because we don't reap the benefits of fixing a broken system now that our children won't benefit from it?
It's a simple case of utilitarianism. I believe that there is no reason why people should have to suffer because they get sick in the U.S. By creating certain types of legislation I believe we can at the very least provide insurance for all Americans rather than just a select few, or ones we deem acceptable to give to.
Our priorities for our future should be education and healthcare, and left to solely charitable devices we'll continue to see the gap of the haves and the have nots continue to multiply. We'll see more of the Eric Cantor type fantasies where people will have to be in dire straits before they can ask for help.
It's difficult to have a conversation with someone who (intentionally?) misrepresents my position. Please point out anywhere that I've said or implied that "Uncle Sam can solve every problem for every person.
Same for where I suggested that local community involvement shouldn't be part of the solution, as well. But again, we're talking about the power of the "volume discount." It's like saying that the small business owner is on an equal footing with a fortune 500 corporation and has the same ability to provide for their employees. We know that's not true, so it's fair to say it's not true regarding health insurance leverage as well.
Considering that I wasn't responding to your post.....no, I can't point it out.
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Originally Posted by Jill61
It's really obnoxious to participate in a thread without bothering to actually be informed on the very topic it's about. In this case, all that would require is that you watch the linked videos. I even made it easier on you by pointing out that the story about Keith's friend is in Part 5, so you don't even have to watch all of them to find it. So why don't you watch it before you spew any more nonsense out of your blowholes.
Yeah, you sound like an Olbermann fan.
I did listen, and he didn't say that he helped the woman in the pharmacy or that he helped his friend who was hocking his belongings in the hospital waiting room. He apparently didn't even buy the card collection to help him out a little. He could have done those things, easily.
Apparently he doesn't understand the concept of insurance either... lamenting that most people pay in more than they get in benefits. Uh, yeah...that's how all insurance works. Honestly, it's hard to get past his overly emotionally blathering....but I heard every word. Yeah, he said he would donate to free clinics to make a political statement now...WTH has been preventing him from doing so until now? He could open and fund his own free clinic...but he's going to donate now. Good for him.
There's some kind of cognitive disconnect there that I just don't get.
What, that people seem more inclined to support a war costing billions of dollars, with vague gaols, and vaguer timelines than support health care reforms that affect each and every one of us every day.
There are no Socialist states.
The 2 that come closest are US and china where they have socialism for the rich.
One is rolling in dough and one on the very edge of total financial collapse.
No country in Europe is anywhere near collapse as evidenced by the ever upward march of the Euro.
The only one with trouble is the UK and the pound which choose to,like the US and the dollar, run the economy on the financial sector,with an unlimited no-fail basis as the correct form of capitalism.
And I don't get the "socialism for the rich" argument when the richest 1 percent of Americans forks over 31.1 percent of its income to the federal government. REF: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/bu...4.6680311.html
Just because these socialist countries' currencies are strong does not mean that they are in good economic shape. The European central bank has simply been more hawkish in their fight against inflation.
True socialist countries like Cuba and North Korea are in fact in financial crisis and teetering on collapse. Venezuela is well on its way in joining the club as well.
I wish it were that way for everyone but the fact is it isn't. If Medicare covered everything, then why would so many seniors have to carry supplemental insurance? Almost everyone has Humana's Gold Plus Plan, AARP, or some extra insurance. What about the ppl who have worked many years, are now elegable to retire(like my mom), but can't because although they are over 60, they can't afford to go without insurance and can't afford to pay for their own. No job(even after a lifetime of service) = no health insurance, unacceptable. If she were to retire now, she could keep her current health insurance, hey, it only costs $700.00 a month. Point is, she's tired, sick, and stuck in a job she can't leave because she can't lose her insurance benefits. Back in the day, retirees had their insurance covered by their former employers as part of their retirement packages, no more.
If Medicare is so inadequate why do you think that it is going to suddenly get better when another 50 million people are added onto it?
Do you know that of all the healthcare plans out there now, Medicare has the highest refusal rate at over 6%?
His program-length "Special Comment" show tonight was extraordinarily moving. By the time he got to the story about his childhood friend, Mike, whose daughter has been in the ICU for the past three weeks, suffering from Lyme disease, and who now has to sell his farm to pay for her continued care, I couldn't hold back the tears. As a nation, we ought to be ashamed of ourselves that we allow this to happen. If there is a higher being, may they bless Keith Olbermann for how hard he's fighting for all of us to be on an equal footing regarding the value of our very lives.
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