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Actually, it is religion / religious not necessarily Christian at issue here.
IMO, those of any relgious faith should have the right to display religious scenes appropriate to their beliefs for their holidays - anywhere they wish to.
If the non religious don't like it - tough.
Well I have a religion where all women should walk around topless. I'm going right now to set up a conference on the lawn of your local elementary school. Thanks! You just made my job easier.
then you should also be saying the same thing to enviromentalists as well, as these days anything about the enviroment is also considered sacroscent and religious as well.
in other words, keep issues concerning the enviroment out of the goverment and its business.
Ignoring the often used, and rather juvanile, argument fallacy of equating everything under the sun to religion in a rather lame attempt to justify the latter...
Corperations rely on their inherent greed to stay viable and productive. Corperate Greed isn't a bad thing, mind you, it's what biult this Nation and made her strong. But it leads to certian problems.
One such problem, for example, has led to the formation of OSHA.
Other concerns require that the g'ment step in to protect the environment, to keep companies from pumping toxins into the air, ground, and water whcih negatively effects everyone. Love canal is a perfect example of why environmental protection laws are crucial.
This very quality of g'ment, however, requires that such personal decisions as religion MUST be kept in the private sector, otherwise religion WILL use g'ment to further their theopolitical power and attempt to force and/or coerce the populace to become members of that religion.
Actually, it is religion / religious not necessarily Christian at issue here.
IMO, those of any relgious faith should have the right to display religious scenes appropriate to their beliefs for their holidays - anywhere they wish to.
If the non religious don't like it - tough.
Many of the Elder Religions have fertility based religious observances.
So you would be OK with a huge phallus on your City Hall steps?
I would imagine you have a linked source to someone complaining of a nativity scene on private property, and sueing to have it removed?
Considering that the whole question is religious symbology on public (g'ment) property, one should establish a foundation for one's argument, after all.
BTW, this isn't about being "offended", as in your "baby Jesus in a court house" example. It's about upholding simple Constitutional Law. There is no rationality possible to support OUR g'ment supporting and endorsing YOUR religion, especially when it is expressly forbidden in our Founding Document.
Not sure where in the Constitution it mentions about not allowing a baby Jesus, or religious symbol on government grounds or public property.
Religious symbols on public property during the holidays was quite frequent up until the past decade or so. Why was it fine back then and not now is the question. People break laws near you every day (just look at people speeding, running red lights). Why don't you protest that instead of some symbol on a government property that you don't see every day anyway. It's not "promoting" a religion at all.
And in that same thread, the non-religious should be able to go about their day without constantly seeing religious decorations..there are plenty of decorations that can be used that aren't religious in nature.
If the religious don't like it - tough.
Actually, you really don't have the right to stop others just because you don't want to see it. You are free, I guess, to close your eyes though. Just be careful while driving.
Those decorations that aren't religious that you speak about have nothing to do with the real meaning of Christmas. People like you can't decide what is allowed or not allowed. This country isn't ruled by Nazi's (yet). Although, I would love it if people got rid of those stupid inflatable decorations. But, to each their own.
Actually, you really don't have the right to stop others just because you don't want to see it. You are free, I guess, to close your eyes though. Just be careful while driving.
Those decorations that aren't religious that you speak about have nothing to do with the real meaning of Christmas. People like you can't decide what is allowed or not allowed. This country isn't ruled by Nazi's (yet). Although, I would love it if people got rid of those stupid inflatable decorations. But, to each their own.
Actually... yes, we can. It's not supposed to be on public land. Period. You guys have private churches, private schools, private universities etc etc and that isn't enough??
And what would the 'real' meaning of your christmas be? The celebration of forcing pagans to partake in your religion? Maybe you still think it's the celebration of your 'lord and savior', who was very unlikely to have been born in December. All those 'christian' symbols? Christmas tree? Pagan. Yule log? Pagan. Gift exchange? Pagan.
And please, don't invoke Godwin's Law... the minute you mention Nazi's or Hitler (especially to this woman, who was born and raised in Germany) your arguments lose meaning.
You know I was shopping this weekend and I saw several stores advertising "Christmas" and not the "holidays"...thought about this thread
Wal Marts advertisements all say Christmas. They're just trying to make money, and most religious people are easily swayed and they know this. Pretty smart, if you ask me.
Wal Marts advertisements all say Christmas. They're just trying to make money, and most religious people are easily swayed and they know this. Pretty smart, if you ask me.
If you say so..most people I know are swayed by saving and discounts.
They had better tell me MERRY CHRISTMAS on my way out of the store with my buggy full of cheap plastic baby Jesus manger scenes made in China or I am going to go ballistic on them for not understanding the meaning of Christmas....
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