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Old 10-08-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Keynesian economics may not help the "common man" in the long run it does keep him alive in the short run. Unrestrained Capitalism will loot him more effectively in the long run if he survives the short run. Liberals care if people are damaged by economic failures and try to keep people alive if not comfortable. Conservatives do not seem to care so long as they are not left starving out in the cold because a sever illness, business failure or economic collapse misses them and get the other guy. I, ME and MINE is action.

Liberals prefer cooperation and conservatives prefer coercion when it comes to money. This liberal knows there is no way to ever become wealthy without the proper connections, while many conservatives that anyone can become wealthy through hard work. I believe the reality, they believe the myth.
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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Yeah gregW....funny how you didn't comment about the NYT "Bleeding Heart Tightwads" article...

I guess deep down you know its true...
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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So, as a "common man", what are you doing to maintain or increase your wealth?

I do not horde useless green toilet paper, our Morgan fiat currency, by "saving" it with the shylocks who will abuse me further. I purchase things that have real value as soon as possible with the "paper money". That is just my preference to not be at the mercy of Big Government debt or the Bankers who collect interest on it.

I learned as a very young person, sadly many never do, that the only person who will pay me a "fair" wage is myself. I laugh at those who rely on the generosity of pimps, er employers, for their financial well-being and then complain about their lack of success. The "stolen" value of labor by business is the price that labor has to pay for the ability to make money in the market without taking the risk of entering the market on one's own. I could just as easily assert that labor steals from the value of business owner's ideas. But I digress. I offer services directly to the market and have earned much more than I ever would have if I had chosen to be simply someone else's tool.

What should all "common men" do?

Related to the above. All common men should find out what they can offer their fellow man by themselves. Being your own business is the only way that you will know your true value in society. And if you are worth less by yourself than as a tool of someone else, you should be thankful that someone is "using" you instead of being jealous of their value to society.

Next, it is important for the common man to shun the institutions that work against their best interests. Banking, big business, big government should be avoided at every turn. Notice that big business, big government, and banks (particularly the Morgan central bank) work hand in hand through what we have here now in this country. This is not "capitalism" or a free market, it is more like Mussolini's version of fascism, whereby we have a government/business collusion. It is this collusion that has led to what you hate and not "capitalism" or freedom.

How do we survive a system that is designed to take our productivity and transfer it from us, the creators, to them, the owners?

The only real transfer of wealth or theft that occurs in this nation, or much of the rest of the world for that matter, is from all the people to an elite banking cartel. Our evil government, both left and right, support these pirates and slave owners because as we become more and more destitute from the bankers theft we hand over more and more power to the centralized government to solve the problems that they have created.


Keynesian economics may not help the "common man" in the long run it does keep him alive in the short run. Unrestrained Capitalism will loot him more effectively in the long run if he survives the short run. Liberals care if people are damaged by economic failures and try to keep people alive if not comfortable. Conservatives do not seem to care so long as they are not left starving out in the cold because a sever illness, business failure or economic collapse misses them and get the other guy. I, ME and MINE is action.

As I eluded to earlier, we have not seen anything close to a free market or capitalism in this country. The evils you see are from the government/business collusion. Keynesian theory along with the Morgan, er Federal Reserve, have stolen the wealth of all people. Our currency is worth 1/50th of its value since we allowed private bankers to have a monopoly over our currency. This has been stolen from us indirectly through the beauty of fiat currency. The most sinister weapon of totalitarians throughout history against the people. Add to this the nearly infinite regulations placed on the market by government force and it is foolish to believe that "capitalism" has any effect on our economy at all. The only free market that can exist in this country would be in the "underground economy".

Truth be told, even if you like socialism, you could not have it here unless you first got rid of the Federal Reserve. You could not have a "fair" redistribution take place while the Rothschilds, Morgans, and Loebs of the world still had the right to skim as much as they want off of the top. You cannot have any type of government controlled economy if the government is not in control of the money. The monopoly of the money by an elite private group only ensures an economy that completely serves their interest. Those people are not capitalists or socialists, they are only pirates, theives, and extortionists. That our big government keeps them in power only makes them accomplices in the biggest slave industry ever devised. You see, evil libertarians and enlightened collectivists have a common enemy that is the central banks of the world.

Liberals prefer cooperation and conservatives prefer coercion when it comes to money. This liberal knows there is no way to ever become wealthy without the proper connections, while many conservatives that anyone can become wealthy through hard work. I believe the reality, they believe the myth.

I don't know what "conservatives" have to do with anything that I have said. I am a libertarian and disagree with both sides because I have a consistent theory. "Conservatives" and "liberals" are two sides of the same coin. One gravitates to the warfare state while the other gravitates to the welfare state. Both lead to too much power in the hands of a centralized totalitarian government. Totalitarianism, whether in the guise of a single leader, collectivist theory, or democratic majority, is never in the best interest of the common man. Government power is used only to serve the interests of government. If you are the lucky group that is favored you will benefit, if you are not you are punished. Either way, you are left to only hope that your interests are aligned with those in power. Being a powerless subject of the interests of another is hardly in the interests of the common man.

As I have stated, I am a libertarian, I am against government power over the common man. It is this power which is evil. "Liberals" and "conservatives" both seek to consolidate ever growing powers over the people. This power is a coercive and aggressive force no matter who is at the helm at any given moment. Therein lies the hypocrisy of both sides of the contemporary debate among the left and right. The left loves an oppressive government when it furthers their welfare state while hating it when it protects individual freedom. The right loves an oppressive government when it furthers their warfare state while hating it when it destroys individual freedom. They both have an idea for what society should look like and alter freedoms to get a specific result. While only libertarians stand consistently for freedom knowing that the outcomes of such freedom will vary greatly dependent upon the actions of a free people.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Indeed, liberals, and Keynesian economics, create jobs. Republicans and conservative economics create profits principally by firing the people hired during the good times. The choice depends on where you want to money to go. If you want it distributed to the workers you elect liberals. If you want higher profits and stock values you vote for the conservatives. The first give you a good country and times to live in and the latter a good country to invest in and hard times to live in.

Your choice. I prefer the results of liberal economic and social policies.
Yeah. Those Keynesian economics are working bang up right now, aren't they?
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Clinton’s job creation was TEN TIMES that of Bush’s, which was the worst since the Great Depression.

Annual employment-growth rates for all 11 postwar presidents:

Harry Truman (1945-53), 2.38%
D Eisenhower (1953-61), 0.87%
John Kennedy (1961-63), 2.28%
L.B. Johnson -(1963-69), 3.74%
Richard Nixon (1969-74) 2.30%
Gerald Ford –(1974-77), 0.95%
Jimmy Carter -(1977-81), 3.11%
Ronald Reagan (1981-89) 2.04%
G.H.W. Bush -(1989-93), 0.59%
WJ Clinton (1993-2001), 2.42%
G. W. Bush -(2001-09), 0.28%

Notice that every-time going from Democratic to Republican administrations the job growth worsens and every-time going from Republican to Democratic, it improves. Will some Democratic spokesperson PLEASE go on TV and say this?

Records were not kept before the 1920’s, so the only change missing is from Hoover to FDR. That was obviously a huge improvement.

Also important to remember that the Reagan and two Bush administrations saw a fantastic explosion of the deficit!
we have the most liberl president in history. I do not see any job creation.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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Clinton did not "create" those jobs, the advent of the internet did. Most of us also recall after the hype of the internet died down, many of those jobs proceeded to evaporate...conveniently after his term expired. Business owners and new ideas create jobs, not governments. If anything, government impedes them.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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Evil corporations create jobs.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:10 AM
 
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Clinton did not "create" those jobs, the advent of the internet did. Most of us also recall after the hype of the internet died down, many of those jobs proceeded to evaporate...conveniently after his term expired. Business owners and new ideas create jobs, not governments. If anything, government impedes them.

No Way scaredgrooves....Liberals are right...only government can create jobs and increase wealth among its citzens...If you don't believe me...look to the former Soviet Union for proof...
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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so when there are more jobs, it's not because of the president.

but when there are less jobs, it is because of the president.

flawless logic!
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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we lost more jobs under clinton than were created...and the worst part is we lost high paying jobs to his low paying jobs created
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