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Old 10-10-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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It's just that, you don't want a Physican to make "too much" profit - isn't that it?

And, at what point, specifically, does a Doctor become "greedy" to you?
As you and Pommymommy know, making a profit is necessary, if you're a for-profit business. At what point ... hmm, not sure. Maybe when the doctor has everything he and his business need, but he has become so dependent on supplemental income that he starts rejecting lower supplements in favor of higher ones.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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As you and Pommymommy know, making a profit is necessary, if you're a for-profit business. At what point ... hmm, not sure. Maybe when the doctor becomes so dependent on supplemental income that s/he starts rejecting lower supplements in favor of higher ones.
I might suggest that BEFORE you start throwing around derogatory terms like "Greedy", you have some sort of idea what the word you are using MEANS.

So, inasmuch as you DO NOT KNOW, your constant use of the term is totally and completely meaningless in this thread.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:10 PM
 
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I might suggest that BEFORE you start throwing around derogatory terms like "Greedy", you have some sort of idea what the word you are using MEANS.

So, inasmuch as you DO NOT KNOW, your constant use of the term is totally and completely meaningless in this thread.
Huh? You asked my opinion, I told you.

Another way of putting it is, I think he becomes greedy when he stops caring for people and starts thinking Empire, based on a business that is necessarily limited because the number of clients he can see is limited.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:14 PM
 
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As you and Pommymommy know, making a profit is necessary, if you're a for-profit business. At what point ... hmm, not sure. Maybe when the doctor has everything he and his business need, but he has become so dependent on supplemental income that he starts rejecting lower supplements in favor of higher ones.

Maybe you have no business passing judgement on doctors you don't even know.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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So physicians and criminals are the same in your view? That's interesting.
Your words not mine.

Elementary logic is that an analogy is only that.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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These doctors you deem to be greedy, delusianne, have you walked a mile in their shoes? Do you know if they volunteer their services in free clinics? Do you know how much they give to charity? Can you see into their psyche to see what motivates them to be doctors?
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:25 PM
 
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Huh? He's not a vet, though the description fits the image of a vet, doesnt it? He's just not greedy.
You didn't get my joke. Guess it wasn't that funny.

But anyway, he's gotta have another source of income.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It is obvious after all these pages that the current health care situation is not performing to it’s potential, to say the least. Doctors are not getting paid or payments are delayed. CODB(cost of doing business) is going through the roof and patients are getting dumped. The only people who are blameless in this situation are the patients. They pay their premiums and not one of them ever got sick on purpose. If you distill the arguments down to their essence there is one group who believes that health care is a business. There is another group who believes that health care is a moral right. I fall into the latter category. Government, elected by the people should have at least three functions. Insure the national defense of the country, provide and maintain infrastructure, including administration and the welfare of the citizens. Health care for all falls under the category of welfare of the citizens. Other countries do it and it works. They feel a moral obligation. Not perfect but it works. Our system is broke on many levels. It’s time we fix it. Due to politics, I think Obama will apply a band aid to a chest wound and solve nothing. But on the other hand, as with the child labor laws of the early 20th century, you will have to drag the profiteers, kicking and screaming to the table.

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Old 10-10-2009, 09:21 PM
 
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[quote=mohawkx;11134461]It is obvious after all these pages that the current health care situation is not performing to it’s potential, to say the least. Doctors are not getting paid or payments are delayed. CODB(cost of doing business) is going through the roof and patients are getting dumped.

Patients are getting "dumped"? How does opting out of Medicare or other insurances equate to "dumping" patients? It is not legal for a physician to "dump" a patient. The doctor must give the patients adequate time to locate another physician. In most cases that can be accomplished with a 30 day notice.
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Old 10-10-2009, 09:40 PM
 
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It is abundantely clear there are some that there are those who lack understanding on many issues / levels.

This includes failure to understand that it does take money to operate a medical practice. And those that express that doctors should not be concerned with money clearly lack total knowledge on what it takes to operate a business - even to the level that that "assistant' who takes the blood pressure gets paid - and the costs associated with keeping an employee today with workmans comp, unemployment insurance, medical insurance etc. These people think that the doctor should not be concerned with these things.

Then, there is the issue of rent, utilities, insurance of all sorts, telephones and so on. They don't think the doctor should be concerned about getting enough money to pay for these things.

Then, they clearly do not understand what the physician does even with a "wellness check".

They don't seem to be concerned with a doctors desire to earn money to support their families - the doctors family should be of no concern - as long as the patients are taken care of.

Perhaps some of our more "liberal" posters should try to get more educated on medical practices and what THEIR doctor REALLY has to do to be able to continue to see THEM as a patient.

CLEARLY, they do not understand.

We ALL understand that VERY well,as does anyone whose looked at health care at all.

The point is that health care is a RIGHT. Making X dollars is not.
First things ,first.
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