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Old 10-12-2009, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I am betting that the mother of that baby would rather have a public option health insurance than no health insurance for her baby.
You asked for my position - my opinion. I gave it. Now, you are attempting to deflect.

Why? You have no idea what that mother would want or not want. You don't know her. You don't know her financial status.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Should parents be mandated to provide health care for their children?
Health care and Health insurance are mutually EXCLUSIVE. They are not one and the same.

Should parents be "mandated" to care for their children? They already are. Faiure to care for ones child is known as child abuse.

Should they be "mandated" to provide "health care"? Define health care. For their are court decisions that allow "faith healing" versus taking a child to a "Doctor" as being perfectly acceptable.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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The Public Option is a blatant attempt to put private enterprise out of business and to have a government controlled - a government run health care system in the US.

I do not, and will not, support a Government run health system in the US. It is one of the reasons I opted out of Social Security and medicare.
It is not government run healthcare, it is an alternative insurance option for people that cannot afford to be gouged. Now, if this story does not prove that private insurance is coming between a patient (a baby no less) and their doctor, then nothing does. Do you not understand after the thousands of articles, many of which have been posted here, how the private insurance companies are insanely corrupted? Why don't you backtrack and take a peek as this has gotten tedious. Have a great day!
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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It is not government run healthcare,
I would ask you re-read my post.

I said, CLEARLY, that the "public option" is a BLATANT attempt to put the private companies (health insurance) companies out of business.

I did not, CLEARLY, say it was "government run health care.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Health care and Health insurance are mutually EXCLUSIVE. They are not one and the same.

Should parents be "mandated" to care for their children? They already are. Faiure to care for ones child is known as child abuse.

Should they be "mandated" to provide "health care"? Define health care. For their are court decisions that allow "faith healing" versus taking a child to a "Doctor" as being perfectly acceptable.
I know that there was a case in WI recently in which the parents prayed for their 11 year old daughter instead of taking her to a doctor when she became ill. The girl died from untreated diabetes! Very sad to think that this girl could have easily been treated and would still be alive.

Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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how the private insurance companies are insanely corrupted?
No, I do not believe private insurance companies are "insanely corrupt".

Do I believe some reforms are needed? Yes. But, does that mean that these private companies should be replaced with a government system? No.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Meanwhile, over in the land of national health care...

"Doctors are calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or who lead unhealthy lives..."
Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors - Telegraph

Would a baby (like anyone else) who is at the 99th weight percentile be considered 'unhealthy'...?
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I know that there was a case in WI recently in which the parents prayed for their 11 year old daughter instead of taking her to a doctor when she became ill. The girl died from untreated diabetes! Very sad to think that this girl could have easily been treated and would still be alive.
Was that their right though? Yes.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Meanwhile, over in the land of national health care...

"Doctors are calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or who lead unhealthy lives..."
Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors - Telegraph

Would a baby (like anyone else) who is at the 99th weight percentile be considered 'unhealthy'...?
Did you read the article?

They're not proposing dropping those people from health care - they're saying they should be restricted from receiving certain treatments.

Also, it's a survey from 800 doctors, not anything coming from NHS themselves.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Did you read the article?

They're not proposing dropping those people from health care - they're saying they should be restricted from receiving certain treatments.

Also, it's a survey from 800 doctors, not anything coming from NHS themselves.
I disagree with ANYONE being denied the right to recieve any type of treatment - and doing so simply because of their age is ridiculous.
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