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Regular folks dont have the gold plated plans. Only the rich and the protected union members do. The unions, whom you attack, are defending the plans against a tax. This defense benefits the rich. Whom you defend.
So you cant attack one and defend the other. In this case they're the same.
Are you sure that only the rich and union members have the gold-plated plans that will be subject to the extra tax? Many of those with chronic health conditions have plans that are high cost. Also, those that live in certain areas of the country with high premiums (Maine, Mass, NY), may likely fall under that umbrella. As the cost of premiums increase (with or without reform), many more middle-class will find that their plans are hitting that threshold.
Until there's a very clear definition of "Cadillac plan", I wouldn't presume that it will hit only the very wealthy.
"one of HUD's most competant and affordable contractors" That is like calling Hitler one of the best personal relocation experts in history.
Take a look at the share of HUD contracts they've been awarded over the years. Dozens and dozens of them. Year after year. Tens of millions of dollars worth of contract work. Under Democrats and Republicans alike.
One of these days, you ACORN-nuts are going to have to wake up and notice that the whole campaign against this group is a partisan sham. It's WMD all over again and you folks have fallen for it AGAIN!!!
Perhaps you could tell us, in your opinion, just how many years of control of the Senate, Congress, and the presidency will it take before the Dems take responsibility? 10? 20? It seems as though you are quite ready to tag any wrongdoing on conservatives, regardless of the time period of control, while you universally give the dems a pass.
Responsibility doesn't move with the clock. Those responsible are the ones who did it. Yesterday, today, tomorrow...there's not some statute of limitations that's going to run out here and let your boys get off scott free. It was the Bushies who created this economic mess, not Obama. The Bushies had roughly the first 14 months of the recession to do something to keep it from getting out of control. They dropped that ball as well...
Are you sure that only the rich and union members have the gold-plated plans that will be subject to the extra tax? Many of those with chronic health conditions have plans that are high cost. Also, those that live in certain areas of the country with high premiums (Maine, Mass, NY), may likely fall under that umbrella. As the cost of premiums increase (with or without reform), many more middle-class will find that their plans are hitting that threshold.
Until there's a very clear definition of "Cadillac plan", I wouldn't presume that it will hit only the very wealthy.
No, I was talking in a broad brush () to yank Sanrene's chain. Of course you dont have to be rich or a union member only, to have an insurance plan which may be taxed.
There is still competition among the sickness funds in Germany despite the element of profit not being there.
The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care by T.R. Reid
If you feel human lives should be left up to the free market, I truly feel sorry for you.
I am not advocating for a government not for profit. I know what the f3u832c9k I'm talking about. In Germany (and other countries) they use the Bismarck model which offers universal coverage using PRIVATE PROVIDERS AND PRIVATE INSURANCE PLANS with the government exercising various degrees of regulatory control over insurance coverage, pricing, and so on.
Like I said, I know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me what I'm advocating for.
To whoever repped me: no I couldn't resist saying, "I know what the f3u832c9k I'm talking about." I like to use colorful language, get over it! I can't stand it when people try to tell me what I'm talking about or say, "No, this is what you meant."
Responsibility doesn't move with the clock. Those responsible are the ones who did it. Yesterday, today, tomorrow...there's not some statute of limitations that's going to run out here and let your boys get off scott free. It was the Bushies who created this economic mess, not Obama. The Bushies had roughly the first 14 months of the recession to do something to keep it from getting out of control. They dropped that ball as well...
Who did it? Well, Saggy, I would say that every president since 1969 "did it".
Typically, liberals are only concerned with assigning blame, and the target does not necessarily have to be the actual culprit.
How about solutions? Here is a big one-
1. cut all social spending now by 50%
2. Put some teeth into the "balanced budget act" (what a joke). Mandate that spending for the following year can only be 75% of previous year's revenue, thus allowing payment on the debt.
Simple stuff there, Saggy. Every first grader knows that you have to pay down debt to insure solvency. That is true of personal, as well as governmental debt. Spending ad infinitum will result in certain insolvency. It will even affect marxists.
When health care reform could have been enacted at a far lower cost in 1948- with Harry Truman and his 'Fair Deal' program- which was for universal health care for all- the Republicans and conservative Democrats blocked it. They also blocked Medicare for years- until LBJ passed it in 1966. The same forces blocked it in 1993- so in a way Obama is right- something has to be done for all the benign neglect that goes back a century.
It strikes me funny that the same folks being critical are the same folks that have gotten us into this sorry mess, and still oppose reform.
I take it you consider Medicare a success. That's the king of "success" we can't afford. Medicare faces trillions of dollars --trillions--of unfunded liabilities. Which means that for it to continue either huge cuts in health care are going to have to be imposed (Obama is already proposing 500 billions in cuts) or crushing taxes on our children and grandchildren will need to be imposed. As it is Medicare reimbursement rates are only 24% of actual costs for the services provided by doctors and hospitals. It's only a matter of time before those medical professionals stop accepting Medicare patients, like many now do with Medicaid patients. And now the Dems want to give us a new entitlement program that we can't afford, either. Instead of "calling out" the opponents of so-called health care reform Obama ought to be straight with the American people about the true costs of this monstrosity.
President Barack Obama Thursday night called out his critics in Congress for blasting Democratic attempts to overhaul health care without proposing solutions of their own.
"Grab a mop" That's intended to convey the impression that health care in this country is in crisis and needs to be saved. Nice image but, as usual with this administration, totally false. Eighty-five percent of people in this country have health insurance coverage of some sort. That's not failure. That's success. Is it perfect? No. Can it be improved? Yes. Does it need the kind of overhaul that Obama proposes? No. But this administration thrives on crisis-mongering. Scare the people so that they'll let you do whatever you want in order to avert the crisis. And do it as fast as possible so that no one has the time to read the fine print. Ever deal with a used car salesman? That's the Obama administration. The fact that some people have read the fine print and have said "Not so fast" has angered the Left and their enablers in the elite media. Too bad. We're not buying this turkey.
The reason the Unions are pushing so hard for this is the Unions are broke and there health care plans are bankrupt. The government has billions promised to help the unions back up there pensions and healthcare at the expense of the taxpayers. PIMCO a pension company is looking for an influx from the government to keep the party going.
I take it you consider Medicare a success. That's the king of "success" we can't afford. Medicare faces trillions of dollars --trillions--of unfunded liabilities.
Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to 50 trillion.
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The reason the Unions are pushing so hard for this is the Unions are broke and there health care plans are bankrupt.
You can bet the democrats/obama will attempt to exempt the unions from this tax.
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) to yank Sanrene's chain. Of course you dont have to be rich or a union member only, to have an insurance plan which may be taxed.
I like to use colorful language, get over it! I can't stand it when people try to tell me what I'm talking about or say, "No, this is what you meant."
