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Old 10-20-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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I'm having difficulty envisioning exactly what policies make them right of center. Are they for traditional values? Are they for limited government in terms of fiscal responsibility? Most people who equate Mussolini or Hitler with right wing ideology cannot solidify their position. Hitler's Germany enacted extremely strict price controls, who just about anyone would argue is a leftist policy. If you were caught doing back alley black market deals, you could be subject to arrest and execution. That pretty much signifies a command and control economy. So, just what ideals are right of center with the NPD? Obama supporters would equate anyone who likes unbridled free market capitalism as right winged, yet the Nazi party never allowed such capitalism to take place. I've also been to Germany tons of times, although never to Berlin. Mostly Bavaria and Koblenz.
Please take a politcal theory course and make that most commical of arguments. BTW: Were did you aquire such wisdom? PG?
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Old 10-20-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Europe
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I'm having difficulty envisioning exactly what policies make them right of center. Are they for traditional values? Are they for limited government in terms of fiscal responsibility? Most people who equate Mussolini or Hitler with right wing ideology cannot solidify their position. Hitler's Germany enacted extremely strict price controls, who just about anyone would argue is a leftist policy. If you were caught doing back alley black market deals, you could be subject to arrest and execution. That pretty much signifies a command and control economy. So, just what ideals are right of center with the NPD? Obama supporters would equate anyone who likes unbridled free market capitalism as right winged, yet the Nazi party never allowed such capitalism to take place. I've also been to Germany tons of times, although never to Berlin. Mostly Bavaria and Koblenz.
The NSDAP was also against communism so now what? You have to do a little research to find out who still votes for a nazi party. Not the lefties, no, the nazi party caters to the ultra-xenophobic germans. Also, the NPD supports the KKK so that kind of gives an idea who supports that party.
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Old 10-20-2009, 03:57 PM
 
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We Americans are great at blending insanity. We now have an uber liberal president who is doing a bang up job of blending communism with its pro worker bent (SEIU has an office in the Whitehouse and all...sort of...) and fascism... the administration has been bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs and Big Pharma had secret meetings with the Obama team on the healthcare bill and we still don’t know what concessions were given to get them to buy into the Obama plan... but they have fallen in line quite nicely

so here in America we mix it all up and come up with new ways to screw the people!


YEA US!
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Old 10-20-2009, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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The NSDAP was also against communism so now what? You have to do a little research to find out who still votes for a nazi party. Not the lefties, no, the nazi party caters to the ultra-xenophobic germans. Also, the NPD supports the KKK so that kind of gives an idea who supports that party.
Word of advise: don't deal with irrationlist. Let these men, post away all the anti-intellectual, anti-rational, and anti-logical rheotic they seek to purpose. The good thing is that reality fliters out such filth.
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:00 PM
 
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I recall the Nazi's ended the trade unions-

I also have seen on the History Channel and reading Shirer's 'The Rise & Fall of the Third Reich' the tactics of the SA & SD during the 30s; Mob like vigilantes -brownshirts, carousing in the streets most carrying side arms, and carrying racist signs- with unflattering pictures of Jews, or racist chants.

The parallel with what I saw in August across the USA is eerily similar.
The current far right by definition can be called bordering on Neo- fascist

Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. The term neo-fascist may apply to groups that express a specific admiration for Benito Mussolini and Italian fascism or any other fascist leader/state. Neo-fascism usually includes nationalism, anti-immigration policies or, where relevant, nativism (see definition), anti-communism, and opposition to the parliamentary system and liberal democracy. Allegations that a group is neo-fascist may be hotly contested, especially if the term is used as a politic epithet. Some post-World War II regimes have been described as neo-fascist due to their authoritarian nature, and sometimes due to their fascination with fascist ideology and rituals. Neo-fascist movements are more straight-forwardly right-wing than the pre-WWII movements, and have become intertwined with the radical right
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:48 PM
 
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I'm having difficulty envisioning exactly what policies make them right of center. Are they for traditional values? Are they for limited government in terms of fiscal responsibility? Most people who equate Mussolini or Hitler with right wing ideology cannot solidify their position. Hitler's Germany enacted extremely strict price controls, who just about anyone would argue is a leftist policy. If you were caught doing back alley black market deals, you could be subject to arrest and execution. That pretty much signifies a command and control economy. So, just what ideals are right of center with the NPD? Obama supporters would equate anyone who likes unbridled free market capitalism as right winged, yet the Nazi party never allowed such capitalism to take place. I've also been to Germany tons of times, although never to Berlin. Mostly Bavaria and Koblenz.
Nazi ideology was actually defined most solidly by a Pan-Germanic, anti-Semitic and militaristic political worldview . Yes, in terms of their economic policies they did have similarities with other state-centralized economies--despite their anti-communist rhetoric they had some similarities with the USSR in economic policy. However the Nazis ignored the idea of class conflict--which is the most central tenet of Marxism. They were also ultra-nationalistic, anti-union, and most importantly against the very idea of liberal democracies.


You seem to be saying that since

Nazi economic policy ≠ Modern US right-wing economic policy

and since

Modern US right-wing economic policy ≠ the Obama Administration

so therefore


Nazi economic policy=the Obama Adminstration
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Old 10-20-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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Can you explain what ideologies they embody to make them right wing?
Under your apparently highly personal definition of right-wing, probably not. I shall not endeavor to try, either. After all, it's your assertion, so I think it'd be up to you to come up with a suitable cite.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Under your apparently highly personal definition of right-wing, probably not. I shall not endeavor to try, either. After all, it's your assertion, so I think it'd be up to you to come up with a suitable cite.
The cite is the video I sent earlier. It is the most consistent definition, and it appears when I politely ask for clarification on what makes a Nazi right winged, people tend to shy away from answering. I wonder why?
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:01 PM
 
Location: southern california
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nazi is strong term, 3rd reich is like nothing we got here but fascist that would be a good and accurate description of rush limbaugh and his 20 million indeed the shoe fits well.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Nazi ideology was actually defined most solidly by a Pan-Germanic, anti-Semitic and militaristic political worldview . Yes, in terms of their economic policies they did have similarities with other state-centralized economies--despite their anti-communist rhetoric they had some similarities with the USSR in economic policy. However the Nazis ignored the idea of class conflict--which is the most central tenet of Marxism. They were also ultra-nationalistic, anti-union, and most importantly against the very idea of liberal democracies.


You seem to be saying that since

Nazi economic policy ≠ Modern US right-wing economic policy

and since

Modern US right-wing economic policy ≠ the Obama Administration

so therefore


Nazi economic policy=the Obama Adminstration
Obama's policies, like Bush's, are a mix of fascist and socialist in nature. Depends on what portion of the economy one is referring to. Marxists, like Fascists, do have ultra-nationalist tendencies (the Soviet anthem is one of the most powerful ones ever made). The rhetoric of glorious commissars and glorious leaders and glorious motherland are just as nationalistic as rhetoric of the 1,000 year Reich. The Soviet Union and almost all socialist entities are staunchly against trade unions, at least the ones where power is left to the workers themselves. Rather, the trade union bosses are good friends with commissars and bureaucrats and work back alley deals, throwing the workers a bone here and there and otherwise utilizing the union as a broadsword to destroy all free market forces. How was the Marxist ideology not militaristic? It seems that all they did was beef up their nuclear and conventional arsenal. They also supplied arms to NVA and N. Koreans if I recall correctly. It just seems that the distinctions are extremely fine and otherwise plain cherry picked. Your acknowledgment of a state run command and control economy is a testament to this.

When people can actually identify the differences between a leftist and a liberal, it will be possible to have a meaningful discussion about the actual left/right paradigm.

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