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as someone who works for a struggling nonprofit, i really don't give a damn what people's motivation is for volunteering for us. we just need the help. if they're doing it for disney tickets, if they're doing it as mandated community service (as punishment for a crime, that is), if they're doing it because they were encouraged to by the president or the entertainment industry, they're still doing the same amount of good.
But don't call it volunteering, then. If you're being paid or forced, it's not volunteer.
But don't call it volunteering, then. If you're being paid or forced, it's not volunteer.
again, as far as the nonprofit is concerned, who cares? it's free to us. if you want to play language politics and use a different word, go right ahead. and getting an in-kind incentive like disney tickets, or free food, or free zoo admission is not the same as getting paid to work.
in any case, this thread is about a politician and tv networks simply *encouraging* people to volunteer. the incentive thing only came up as a secondary issue.
In the new findings, African-American parents of children in K-12 schools say they're much more likely to volunteer in a classroom this fall, in effect narrowing a volunteering gap.
The survey, being released today by GreatSchools, a San Francisco non-profit that promotes parental involvement, finds a jump of 37 percentage points in the portion of African-American parents who say they'll volunteer in their child's school — 60% vs. 23% a year ago.
In the same period, the percentage of white parents who plan to volunteer rose six points, from 47% to 53%.
Yes, sometimes people have to be influenced into action by someone they respect, be it the President of the United States, or their favorite actor or actress. If it's helping increase volunteerism, and increasing volunteerism is something important enough for former President George H.W. Bush to be out there promoting, why on earth would anyone have a problem with it?
Oh, that's right! It's N0bambi Hussein's influence. Duh. What was I thinking?
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Government subsidized and government directed volunteerism. The government is now trying to influence the direction of volunterring, to gain control over what type of activities we should volunteer for? Yup sounds like a big stateism, where the individual is subservient to the social collective.
Encouraging volunteerism, that's fine. State sponsored volunteerism, this smacks of Mao's China.
Where is the government subsidy in this Foundation's program? Not to mention, no one's trying to influence the DIRECTION of volunteering, their trying to influence the ACT of volunteering.
I swear, every time I think the Republican party can't sink any lower, they amaze me all over again.
Here's the thing, Roysoldboy. I know you are a devoted follower of Beck, but I've watched him on many occasions.
I went in thinking he had some valid points based on what others had said, but came away realize that he distorts and flat-out lies over and over and over again.
I didn't discuss him or think about him all day. I realized he is the rodeo clown he claims to be and haven't been back since.
Can you list a few of those lies without quoting from HuffPo, Kos, or some of the others like them? I bet you have never watched him enough to do that but then attacking the messenger is the style of the left and you do it so very well.
Of course, I am one of those people who watch him every day and am even now getting ready for today's show. Two hours away and so many honey-do duties to take care of. Well I am off to take care of some of them.
In the new findings, African-American parents of children in K-12 schools say they're much more likely to volunteer in a classroom this fall, in effect narrowing a volunteering gap.
The survey, being released today by GreatSchools, a San Francisco non-profit that promotes parental involvement, finds a jump of 37 percentage points in the portion of African-American parents who say they'll volunteer in their child's school — 60% vs. 23% a year ago.
In the same period, the percentage of white parents who plan to volunteer rose six points, from 47% to 53%.
again, as far as the nonprofit is concerned, who cares? it's free to us. if you want to play language politics and use a different word, go right ahead. and getting an in-kind incentive like disney tickets, or free food, or free zoo admission is not the same as getting paid to work.
in any case, this thread is about a politician and tv networks simply *encouraging* people to volunteer. the incentive thing only came up as a secondary issue.
I agree that the nonprofit won't care. But it also can't be called volunteering, so we need to stop calling it that. The nonprofit isn't paying, but the volunteer isn't doing it without pay, either. Which is the definition of volunteer: a person who performs a service willingly and without pay.
I think all volunteers do it to get something out of it. People don't do things because they think it won't achieve anything. Their reasons may be purely altruistic, or not. But people volunteer and contribute to charities because they think their efforts are going to make a difference.
I don't know why Mr Beck or others think that people who work in Hollywood or in the government shouldn't encourage the rest of us to discover ways we can make a difference and then go do it. I don't see, exactly, how this translates to some sort of effort to control us. George W Bush supported volunteerism and charitable activities through Christian churches, and he was quite open about it. President Obama supports volunteerism and charitable activities through community organization efforts. Both are/were seeing it from the perspective they are/were most familiar with.
But neither sought to limit the perspectives of individuals in defining what volunteer activities most appeal to the individual. The TV and movie community aren't telling people these activities are the only good ones. No one is saying that Habitat for Humanity is the best charity. The "should" that seems to bother Mr Beck so much isn't about any particular charity or volunteer activity, the "should" is directed at individuals, that we each "should" find something rewarding in giving up a small portion of our time or effort in ways that help others. That volunteering and working in some small way to help others is a way to enrich our own lives. And I don't think Mr Beck really thinks that that's so bad, but his job is to bash Obama, and he'll use any tool he can to do his job.
I wonder if any of the "Actors" in the TV plots to promote public service did it for free... I kinda doubt it....
The "Do as I say, not as I do" applies....
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