Witnesses have zero luck slipping fishy math past Franken (Al Franken, salary, health care)

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The fearsome Harvard math major punished conservative economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth for claiming that Democrats’ reforms would jack up bankruptcies for medical reasons.

[compJockey]

YouTube - Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) humbles Hudson Institute dilettante over health care bankruptcies

Its worth watching and I think more people will notice it if its in the thread.

By the way, who is that girl in the background?
She looks bored but I love her.

[GOPATTA2D]

Originally Posted by compJockey

YouTube - Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) humbles Hudson Institute dilettante over health care bankruptcies

Its worth watching and I think more people will notice it if its in the thread.

By the way, who is that girl in the background?
She looks bored but I love her.

Uh, mmm, uh, can you tell me how much the average, um, uh, citizen pays for healthcare in France or um, uh Germany for their free healthcare, Mr. Franken? I can tell you the number is about 10% of their salary.

[compJockey]

Originally Posted by GOPATTA2D

Uh, mmm, uh, can you tell me how much the average, um, uh, citizen pays for healthcare in France or um, uh Germany for their free healthcare, Mr. Franken? I can tell you the number is about 10% of their salary.

In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680

How many families are making less than $126,800 per year, I wonder.
As that is how many are paying more than 10% of their income in the US

[GOPATTA2D]

Originally Posted by compJockey

In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680

How many families are making less than $126,800 per year, I wonder.
As that is how many are paying more than 10% of their income in the US

um, uh, mm, how many families pay 100% of the family premium? Since, um, uh, we are quoting averages, um, uh, what was the average employer sponsorship, um. I have that number - 60% for family plans. um, uh, what was the average family portion? About $5K. Average income? $55K. Just under ten percent.

And that is my point. It is not cheap. Everyone needs to pay 10% or so of their income to fund reform and guaranteed coverage to all Americans. Everyone. The problem is that it is deemed too expensive by the Democrats. They don't want someone earning $30K a year to pay $3K a year in payroll tax. They want the "rich" to pay more so they can give it to them free.

I said it before, I'll say it again: you guys want it, you better be prepared to pay for it.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by GOPATTA2D

um, uh, mm, how many families pay 100% of the family premium? Since, um, uh, we are quoting averages, um, uh, what was the average employer sponsorship, um. I have that number - 60% for family plans. um, uh, what was the average family portion? About $5K. Average income? $55K. Just under ten percent.

And that is my point. It is not cheap. Everyone needs to pay 10% or so of their income to fund reform and guaranteed coverage to all Americans. Everyone. The problem is that it is deemed too expensive by the Democrats. They don't want someone earning $30K a year to pay $3K a year in payroll tax. They want the "rich" to pay more so they can give it to them free.

I said it before, I'll say it again: you guys want it, you better be prepared to pay for it.

What's the alternative?

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Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

What's the alternative?

How about this:
UNIVERSAL health care means everyone can care for anyone
[] Decriminalize giving health care;
[] Decriminalize the trade and possession of medicine and equipment;
[] Expand opportunities for medical education;
[] Offer credentials by government supervised examination, regardless of where or how one learned medicine; and
[] Eliminate tort abuse with "Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back!"

In parallel, I'd suggest that Americans stop volunteering into national socialism. You do know that there is no law that compels Americans to enroll, nor any law that punishes those who do not participate. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude. That's how it bypasses the constitutional prohibition on involuntary servitude.

[compJockey]

Originally Posted by GOPATTA2D

um, uh, mm, how many families pay 100% of the family premium? Since, um, uh, we are quoting averages, um, uh, what was the average employer sponsorship, um. I have that number - 60% for family plans. um, uh, what was the average family portion? About $5K. Average income? $55K. Just under ten percent.

And that is my point. It is not cheap. Everyone needs to pay 10% or so of their income to fund reform and guaranteed coverage to all Americans. Everyone. The problem is that it is deemed too expensive by the Democrats. They don't want someone earning $30K a year to pay $3K a year in payroll tax. They want the "rich" to pay more so they can give it to them free.

I said it before, I'll say it again: you guys want it, you better be prepared to pay for it.

Its paid for.
And lowers the deficit.

[GOPATTA2D]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

What's the alternative?

There is no alternative. All those in favor of a public option or sickness fund or similar need to face reality: there are no free lunches. We simply can't tax the rich enough or cut enough elsewhere to fund it. The Democrats will have to raise taxes.

A guy making $30K a year might take home $900 every two weeks right now. That is without health insurance. His net pay would drop to $785 to cover his 10%. For most of these guys, $300 a month would not fit into their budget right now. The practical solution is to begin phasing in the tax over three years. 3% the first year, 6% the second year, and 10% the third year. The economy as a whole will have to adjust. The increase in dollars to the healthcare industry will be offset elsewhere. Most likely housing and autos.

The Demmies know this.

[GOPATTA2D]

Originally Posted by compJockey

Its paid for.
And lowers the deficit.

Friends shouldn't let friends bad at math debate in public forums.