Jesus was definitely NOT a socialist. (death, Obama, crime, ideology)

[ManGoneADreamin]

And were strictly talking about his time here on Earth.


In order to be a socialist or a communist, you need to believe that a group of people (the government) have the right to steal/imprison/force other people (citizens of the nation) to do what they want for the stated goal of 'improving' society...



Jesus was the furthest thing from a socialist or a communist.


Jesus, himself, never forced anyone to do anything, and Jesus never supported anyone else to forcefully take from another.


Jesus did not make people pay 10% of their earnings to the church. There is a difference between charity and theft. With charity, people freely give as much as they want, or none at all. Jesus suggested that people should give, but he never forced it from them.


Jesus did not respect orders from the governments of that time that were not within his beliefs or plan. He still practiced his beliefs and spoke his truth , even when they said he'd get in trouble for 'blasphemy', etc... He did not fight back when they were going to crucify him. However, I don't think he was a pacifist, b.c there are many versus in the Bible that imply people have the right to protect themselves and their property with force. He just knew that this was part of his Father's plan.


Jesus did say "give to Caesars what is Caesars".. But the meaning of that passage , I believe, was that earthly things are not important, b.c everything will turn to dust that you see before you.... So do not hold anything on Earth dear to your heart, for it will not last.

Jesus did not force people to give their taxes or wealth to ceasar. Jesus did not say Ceasar was a respectable person for taking other peoples money, etc, etc.

Liberals (socialists) tend to exaggerate that passage as saying Jesus wants you to pay taxes, when in reality, that is not what the passage was about. It would have been the same if any other thief that didn't belong to the gov't came along and demanded money. Jesus would have said the same thing most likely, just like he said, "turn the other cheek" when someone slaps you.




Jesus also befriended prostitutes, adulterers, tax collectors (thieves), etc, etc. There is no crime on this Earth that you can't be forgiven for, is what Jesus had told us as long as you are truly sorry for it and repent.


Jesus did not go and contact the local authorities, and say "I have these law breakers here, come and pick them up and lock them in a cage" .... That is what a socialist or communist would most likely do however.



Jesus was for free will. For each man and woman to choose their own destiny. He did not force people to do anything.


If there were any political ideology he most closely resembled, it would definitely by Libertarianism. Although he might have been even a little more Pacifist than Libertarians, and believed even less in government or anything man made than Libertarians.


In closing, to suggest Jesus was a socialist, is just ignorance of what socialism really is. Which is force by mob rule.

[KARL_MARX]

I agree. I think Jesus was in favour of the imperishable Hierarchies that the South preached about during the 19th Century.


BTW Your super smart... I hope I can grow up and be like you one day. A Capitalist sent by God, to spread the Good word of Jesus.

Amen Brother.

[tonyandclaire89]

I agree. I think Jesus was in favour of the imperishable Hierarchies that the South preached about during the 19th Century.


BTW Your super smart... I hope I can grow up and be like you one day. A Capitalist sent by God, to spread the Good word of Jesus.

Amen Brother.

Again...Karl Marx...maybe you should spread the word to your wonderful commie buddies who were responsible for the death of over 100 million men, women and children...Amen....

[JimMe]

Originally Posted by ManGoneADreamin

And were strictly talking about his time here on Earth.


In order to be a socialist or a communist, you need to believe that a group of people (the government) have the right to steal/imprison/force other people (citizens of the nation) to do what they want for the stated goal of 'improving' society...



Jesus was the furthest thing from a socialist or a communist.


Jesus, himself, never forced anyone to do anything, and Jesus never supported anyone else to forcefully take from another.


Jesus did not make people pay 10% of their earnings to the church. There is a difference between charity and theft. With charity, people freely give as much as they want, or none at all. Jesus suggested that people should give, but he never forced it from them.


Jesus did not respect orders from the governments of that time that were not within his beliefs or plan. He still practiced his beliefs and spoke his truth , even when they said he'd get in trouble for 'blasphemy', etc... He did not fight back when they were going to crucify him. However, I don't think he was a pacifist, b.c there are many versus in the Bible that imply people have the right to protect themselves and their property with force. He just knew that this was part of his Father's plan.


Jesus did say "give to Caesars what is Caesars".. But the meaning of that passage , I believe, was that earthly things are not important, b.c everything will turn to dust that you see before you.... So do not hold anything on Earth dear to your heart, for it will not last.

Jesus did not force people to give their taxes or wealth to ceasar. Jesus did not say Ceasar was a respectable person for taking other peoples money, etc, etc.

Liberals (socialists) tend to exaggerate that passage as saying Jesus wants you to pay taxes, when in reality, that is not what the passage was about. It would have been the same if any other thief that didn't belong to the gov't came along and demanded money. Jesus would have said the same thing most likely, just like he said, "turn the other cheek" when someone slaps you.




Jesus also befriended prostitutes, adulterers, tax collectors (thieves), etc, etc. There is no crime on this Earth that you can't be forgiven for, is what Jesus had told us as long as you are truly sorry for it and repent.


Jesus did not go and contact the local authorities, and say "I have these law breakers here, come and pick them up and lock them in a cage" .... That is what a socialist or communist would most likely do however.



Jesus was for free will. For each man and woman to choose their own destiny. He did not force people to do anything.


If there were any political ideology he most closely resembled, it would definitely by Libertarianism. Although he might have been even a little more Pacifist than Libertarians, and believed even less in government or anything man made than Libertarians.


In closing, to suggest Jesus was a socialist, is just ignorance of what socialism really is. Which is force by mob rule.

I agree with your premise but disagree with your interpretation of the scripture about giving unto Caesar. As Christians we are admonished to obey civil authority as long as doing so does not violate our obligation to God. So if government wants to tax 90% of our earnings we are not to try to resist or avoid such punishing taxes. But that doesn't mean that the government that imposes those taxes is just or virtuous, no matter the utopian agenda they serve. Nero certainly was not a just ruler as he rounded up and killed the Christians throughout the Roman empire. Nevertheless Christians obeyed his laws and taxation.

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by KARL_MARX

I agree. I think Jesus was in favour of the imperishable Hierarchies that the South preached about during the 19th Century.


BTW Your super smart... I hope I can grow up and be like you one day. A Capitalist sent by God, to spread the Good word of Jesus.

Amen Brother.

"Your" super smart as well.

The word of God is not necessarily the practice of individuals or particular churches.

As noted above, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler practiced genocide. Who is on the side of evil?

[KARL_MARX]

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

"your" super smart as well.

The word of god is not necessarily the practice of individuals or particular churches.

As noted above, stalin, mao, pol pot and hitler practiced genocide. Who is on the side of evil?

the iq OF 140 strikes again...

[GregW]

Judging by these posts I would put the IQ nearer 14 not 140.

Jesus may not have been a socialist but he was definitely not a capitalist either.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by ManGoneADreamin

Jesus did not respect orders from the governments of that time that were not within his beliefs or plan.

Sure he did. He respected the authorities, and told his followers to submit to the authority whoever the authority might be. Why? Because he teaches that God puts governments in their place. So, yes, according to the Bible even Obama was put in his place by God himself. Get used to it: Submit and pay up.

Romans 13

Submission to the Authorities

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.

The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority?

Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.

Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.