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The democrats/liberals threw their former VP nominee under the bus. Payback is a bi*ch, isn't it?
Obviously, the libs/dems in CT can't prevent Joe from running AND winning again. I would have thought that was crystal clear in the last election. I do believe he said he won't be running for re-election.
He runs again he doesn't have a chance of winning. He was able to hold on in 06, but the Dems will likely challenge him with someone much stronger than Lamont. Also his McCain support last year pretty much finished him. Even if he gets the nomination for the GOP, he's finished.
Perhaps, but keep in mind that voting for cloture isn't the same as voting for the bill. If you look back at some of the Senate votes of the last few years you will find quite a few bills that got the 60 votes for cloture, but got less than that on the final bill. Not saying that this will happen in this case, but its a possibility, especially with the likes of Snowe & Nelson who have done this on several occasions over the last several years
But my question to you is: Why do you care if it fails to get 60 votes since you will eventually get it passed with Reconcilliation?
To me, it's not even a question. I know it won't pass with 60 votes and Democrats will use the nuclear option. It's a given. What we are observing now is just drama. It's meaningless. I'm already researching the Reconcilliation/Nuclear Option process since that is much more interesting
But my question to you is: Why do you care if it fails to get 60 votes since you will eventually get it passed with Reconcilliation?
To me, it's not even a question. I know it won't pass with 60 votes and Democrats will use the nuclear option. It's a given. What we are observing now is just drama. It's meaningless. I'm already researching the Reconcilliation/Nuclear Option process since that is much more interesting
I don't think they will use it. For one, technically they can't - it is not a budgetary issue, it's just another massive government-run entitlement sure to go deep in debt in the near future, like Medicare @ $35 TRILLION.
Politically, I don't think they want to use it - the Senate would grind to a halt, literally. The courtesy of unanimous consent, without objection would end.
Lieberman and his corporate lobbyist wife are shills and hypocrites.
The state of Connecticut already has a 'Public Option' Health care Plan -called the 'Charter Oak Plan' see Charter Oak Health Plan
Which is a good program that is based on income- it is serving over 10,000 citizens here in Connecticut. Is Lieberman aware of this PO plan? Does he not think Americans elsewhere should have access to this type of program as residents here do? He Is plainly an Idiot.
Lieberman and his corporate lobbyist wife are shills and hypocrites.
The state of Connecticut already has a 'Public Option' Health care Plan -called the 'Charter Oak Plan' see Charter Oak Health Plan
Which is a good program that is based on income- it is serving over 10,000 citizens here in Connecticut. Is Lieberman aware of this PO plan? Does he not think Americans elsewhere should have access to this type of program as residents here do? He Is plainly an Idiot.
What leads you to believe that a government-run PO would resemble anything you have in CT? IS your plan well run? In the Black?
We have numerous and glaring examples of government-run programs in the red - for trillions of dollars, why do you think that will change?
Marxist anti-semitic?? Hmmm. I believe Karl Marx was Jewish...go figure.
Marx opposed all religion. Remember that little line about the "opiate of the people"? Marx and Mao tried to destroy any physical and emotional religious ties to the people.
Please do not even suggest that marxists are tolerant of religion. Being atheist is a BASIS of thier "religion"- the religion of the state.
Do you suppose that the Republicans could get the Dems to throw that thing out by holding up on judge appointments? They sure need to but I don't think they will.
The Republicans are already blocking floor action on judicial appointments, even for noncontroversial nominees who have passed the Judiciary Committee with overwhelming bipartisan support. More evidence that it is not the Democrats who have politicized the judicial appointment process.
What leads you to believe that a government-run PO would resemble anything you have in CT? IS your plan well run? In the Black?
We have numerous and glaring examples of government-run programs in the red - for trillions of dollars, why do you think that will change?
The program is not in the red- the premium payments cover part of the plan, as well as do state and federal monies. The Plan was started by a Republican Governor.
The plan is not for profit- so its overhead is considerably reduced compared to for profit corporations.
The program is not in the red- the premium payments cover part of the plan, as well as do state and federal monies. The Plan was started by a Republican Governor.
The plan is not for profit- so its overhead is considerably reduced compared to for profit corporations.
So, the plan depends on state and federal tax dollars... while state and federal tax revenue is declining. Good luck with that.
Revenue Outlook Still Gloomy For Connecticut, Other States | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/13222850-1.html - broken link) IRS tax revenue falls along with taxpayers' income - USATODAY.com
Maybe they can start rationing care with group doctor visits like Massachusetts! Or, have patients who can't get medical care resort to using the emergency room for minor health care needs. That won't cost much.
"Massachusetts, the proud model for likely Obama-Kennedy reform, is trying a new answer for the problem of a severe doctor shortage: group appointments.
Deluged with demand from newly insured patients, doctors have no room on their appointment schedules for all the new patients. At Holyoke Medical Center, it takes 4 months to get an appointment. A patient with chronic Lyme disease can’t find a single primary physician in three towns who will accept a new patient, so she goes to the emergency room, recounting her history to a different intake nurse, for all medical needs, including her regular prescriptions..." Massachusetts resorts to group visits with the doctor « AAPS News of the Day
There's much more in that article... Reading the MD's comments at the bottom is very enlightning, as well.
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Independent Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman said Tuesday that he would back a Republican filibuster against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's health care reform bill if a government-backed insurance plan remains in the package.
The announcement is a blow to the Democratic leader and signals that he does not yet have the votes to advance the bill. While Reid needs just 51 votes to pass the package, he needs 60 votes to crush a filibuster.
"If the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage," Lieberman told reporters, adding that he's willing to vote to bring the bill to the floor for debate.
Lieberman Announces Opposition to Health Care Bill With Government Plan - Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/27/lieberman-announces-opposition-health-care-government-plan/ - broken link)
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It looks like Harry Reid has some work to do.
I would make him back it up and do it, wonder how long he can actually last.
ROTFLMAO,
Casper
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