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If they try to pass it with 51, you are right, they will lose big in 2010. first, they have to get it by the parliamentarian, which is not a slam dunk. Then, the senate would come to a standstill. Not to mention the country exploding in anger.
Reconciliation is allowed in budgetary matters, which the obamacare boondoggle does not represent.
The left leaning Democrats don't understand about that rule but someday they might learn about it.
Libermann has said clearly that he will vote to get it to the floor;speak in opposition to the public option and vote aginst the bill if it gets to the floor vote. In fact several other democrats have said they woludn't support the publc option. Rememeber that Baucus was for the option then said thier is not the support needed and dropped it from his bill
Many politicians think they were elected to mandate a certain position but in reality it was to oust the previous administration. Happened with Clinton / Bush and now Bush /Obama.
Many moderate democrats do not care for or approve of what is going on in Washington. Not all democrats lean to the far left.
You are so right but some of these lefty posters just can't stop and look long enough to see what the score really is.
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The left leaning Democrats don't understand about that rule but someday they might learn about it.
We understand about the RULE. We also understand the RULE can be changed, suspended, waived or tossed in the trash (as it should be in my view) with 51 votes. The Republicans were going to toss it over the Democrats holding up judicial appointments of Bush.
When Bush took over the country was at peace, the budget was balanced and unemployment was 4.2 %. I need not say more.
Maybe you need to say that Clinton's people had mashed the CIA into the form they were in when the attack on the Twin Towers came. Obama has them pretty well smashed down to the same place now. I think that if you were to take a real look at that balanced budget it was done with Social Security "surplus" which wasn't real. Both those budgets that were balanced for Clinton were done on that fake surplus. Politicians of either party have been willing for years to spend that money that seemed to be surplus but should have been put away for future use. Clinton's ending years were so great because the Republicans had him moving with them instead of the Dems. He was not a dummy and did what it took to look good.
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Libermann has said clearly that he will vote to get it to the floor;speak in opposition to the public option and vote aginst the bill if it gets to the floor vote. In fact several other democrats have said they woludn't support the publc option. Rememeber that Baucus was for the option then said thier is not the support needed and dropped it from his bill
Then let's bring it to the floor and have a vote. Let's see who our friends are and who the big insurance and pharma friends are.
We understand about the RULE. We also understand the RULE can be changed, suspended, waived or tossed in the trash (as it should be in my view) with 51 votes. The Republicans were going to toss it over the Democrats holding up judicial appointments of Bush.
Do you suppose that the Republicans could get the Dems to throw that thing out by holding up on judge appointments? They sure need to but I don't think they will.
Let's be honest, it's not going to pass under normal terms. The only way the Democrats can get a Public Option approved is through Reconcilliation/Nuclear Option. Even if Snow approves, there are others like Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska among other senators will likely reject it so the likelihood of getting 60 votes is not going to happen.
Perhaps, but keep in mind that voting for cloture isn't the same as voting for the bill. If you look back at some of the Senate votes of the last few years you will find quite a few bills that got the 60 votes for cloture, but got less than that on the final bill. Not saying that this will happen in this case, but its a possibility, especially with the likes of Snowe & Nelson who have done this on several occasions over the last several years
Do you suppose that the Republicans could get the Dems to throw that thing out by holding up on judge appointments? They sure need to but I don't think they will.
The GOP doesn't have the votes to hold up the judge appointments as Collins and Snowe would be very unlikely to join the GOP on holding up judges.
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