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Your duty isn't how you define it. Your duty is what is told to you by your contract which requires you to report theft in the work place. This is just another example of how you define your own rules instead of lving according to principle.
If I didn't define my own rules, I wouldn't work there. I only work at places where I get the control over what I do, and how I do it.
We took God out of schools. We fed them evolution and taught them that they were just animals. So they act like animals.
They get heavy doses of sexually charged videos.
The people watching were probably getting their jollies, sadly.
We do reap what we sow.
I am horrified by this situation, too, and I don't disagree that the perpetrators were acting like animals. Today, all kinds of exposure to "adult content" certainly can desensitize a kid to sex and violence if they aren't taught the difference between media, fiction, and real-world values.
I respectfully disagree that removing prayer from school and teaching the science of evolution is the cause for increased school violence. The two may be correlated but no causal relationship has ever been found. And there are plenty of "good kids," probably in Richmond HS as well, who do have strong senses of self, morals and values. I work with teens with psychological problems - they have problems, they struggle, but I can't think of one of them who I would predict would engage in violence like this or not report it if they saw it. I just hate to see an entire generation of young people painted with the same brush. Just my two cents...
I am horrified by this situation, too, and I don't disagree that the perpetrators were acting like animals. Today, all kinds of exposure to "adult content" certainly can desensitize a kid to sex and violence if they aren't taught the difference between media, fiction, and real-world values.
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lol. sure, and every civilization had the coliseum. what was the excuse of the people in the past for thier atrocities, torture techniques and "devices", immorality, brutality (religion didn't stop them) etc?
i guess we can't blame tv for those, can we? it's the egg or the chicken argument. is it people wanting to see violence and whatever in media or "adult content"(that's funny and absurd as it denotes adults have a right to unethical behavior so it isn't unethical) and that is why it exists or is it that violence and sex is put out there to influence people. i say the former.
i understand your point to a certain degree and some kids and adults cannot discern what is appropriate or not and easily influenced by media or take it literally but that is not the major problem. it's nature and nurture.
i guess we can't blame tv for those, can we? it's the egg or the chicken argument. is it people wanting to see violence and whatever in media or "adult content"(that's funny and absurd as it denotes adults have a right to unethical behavior so it isn't unethical) and that is why it exists or is it that violence and sex is put out there to influence people. i say the former.
I think it's also the fact that if you are exposed to sex and violence in the media when you are too young to understand what is is you are watching, and truly being able to categorize what you are seeing as fiction (porn included), I think it affects young people. Especially since a lot of parents are blissfully ignorant about what their children are being exposed to, so there is no opportunity for meaningful discussion to go along with the exposure. I believe if parents get out of Denialville about the what their kids see and hear every day, they can help them deal with it a little bit.
I think it's also the fact that if you are exposed to sex and violence in the media when you are too young to understand what is is you are watching, and truly being able to categorize what you are seeing as fiction (porn included), I think it affects young people. Especially since a lot of parents are blissfully ignorant about what their children are being exposed to, so there is no opportunity for meaningful discussion to go along with the exposure. I believe if parents get out of Denialville about the what their kids see and hear every day, they can help them deal with it a little bit.
it would also help if they weren't so hypocritical themselves. a lot of kids come from bad homes anyways. they don't always get negative life messages from the media, they see plenty of it in real life. that's ignorant to even believe that it's just media, it's actually absurd and artificial. some have parents that are alcoholics, abusive etc. many come from mixed marriages or second or third marriages. some children have to deal with parents putting thier spouse or boyfriend above thier needs, some allow others to abuse thier children etc. it's a complicated and varied situation. some are neglected in different ways to varying degrees. it's not just media and entertainment that is the "culprit."
the do as i say but not as i do idea will garner no real respect. this whole charade that it's some perfect world where parents are not at fault but need to address the triviality of what the television and media is doing to their kids is obnoxiously out of touch and unreal. that is only a fracton of families and does not apply to all of them. it ignores other pathologies of deeper, damaging or more pertinent issue that may already be there or going on. it's amazing how people will focus on "television" but ignore all the evils that people do themselves to themselves, others and to children. real life is more horrible and just as sinful than television, even more so. not a legitimate copout. unbelievable!
it would also help if they weren't so hypocritical themselves. a lot of kids come from bad homes anyways. they don't always get negative life messages from the media, they see plenty of it in real life. that's ignorant to even believe that it's just media, it's actually absurd and artificial. some have parents that are alcoholics, abusive etc. many come from mixed marriages or second or third marriages. some children have to deal with parents putting thier spouse or boyfriend above thier needs, some allow others to abuse thier children etc. it's a complicated and varied situation. it's not just media and entertainment.
the do as i say but not as i do idea will garner no real respect.
Yeah, you are right. Good roles models should start in the home, but seldom do, honesty being #1. But ignorance in parents is alarming. If I had a nickel for every time I heard the parent of older teens saying their little angel knows nothing about sex, and is not sexually active yet. Yeah, right, keep your head in the sand and telling yourself it is so!
lol. sure, and every civilization had the coliseum. what was the excuse of the people in the past for thier atrocities, torture techniques and "devices", immorality, brutality (religion didn't stop them) etc?
i guess we can't blame tv for those, can we? it's the egg or the chicken argument. is it people wanting to see violence and whatever in media or "adult content"(that's funny and absurd as it denotes adults have a right to unethical behavior so it isn't unethical) and that is why it exists or is it that violence and sex is put out there to influence people. i say the former.
i understand your point to a certain degree and some kids and adults cannot discern what is appropriate or not and easily influenced by media or take it literally but that is not the major problem. it's nature and nurture.
I just re-read my post and can see I wasn't clear enough in how I expressed myself. I am a staunch believer that the "TV/music/video game made me do it" is a BS excuse - most reputable studies of media exposure and violence support that they are not causally linked (or in some cases not even correlated). So we don't disagree.
I was trying to validate the poster I quoted that indeed kiddos are exposed to some questionable media (depending on one's definition of questionable) and to raise the point that most of kids who are exposed to questionable media don't end up with skewed visions of reality, morals, what-have-you (i.e., "the media made me do it" is much less likely than "most kids who engage in violent behavior probably don't have someone -for whatever reason- consistently parenting or mentoring them").
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Let's say I do, for example, play violent video games. Couldn't that be an outlet for me, to drain off violent energy without harming others?
How could you harm others when you never come out of your bunker? Oh, and great to hear by the way that the narcissistic sociopath may, for example, play violent video games.
Let's say I do, for example, play violent video games. Couldn't that be an outlet for me, to drain off violent energy without harming others?
Not sure if this is directed at me, but since I was just discussing it:
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Originally Posted by eastwesteastagain
I just re-read my post and can see I wasn't clear enough in how I expressed myself. I am a staunch believer that the "TV/music/video game made me do it" is a BS excuse - most reputable studies of media exposure and violence support that they are not causally linked (or in some cases not even correlated). So we don't disagree.
I just edited my post to be more clear: most reputable studies find no causal link between violent media (including video games) and the likelihood of committing violent acts.
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