Gay Union vs Gay Marriage (lawyer, polls, politician, biased)
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Why do gays care so much about a government recognizing their marriage?
Man, it must be so nice to be in the majority and take things like that for granted.
I think it's less about government recognizing it than society recognizing it, but like it or not, our laws represent who we are as a society, what we accept, and what we don't.
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I'm straight, and currently not married, but when I do get married, I am not going to care or need a government certificate claiming that I am married.
Of course not. You're in the majority as a heterosexual, and so you take that option for granted. Also, I would guess that your position is unusual. Most heterosexuals who live together as a couple long-term do choose to get married. Maybe your question should be directed toward heterosexual couples: Why do so many of them get married?
Okay, I know that Leslie Stahl isn't exactly a Harvard scientist, but this is one news story that explores the idea that hormonal levels may be a factor in determining sexual orientation.
Okay, I know that Leslie Stahl isn't exactly a Harvard scientist, but this is one news story that explores the idea that hormonal levels may be a factor in determining sexual orientation.
Why, when the idea of gay marriage comes up, do we always have to rehash the "choice vs. nature" arguement?
It shouldn't matter if its a choice or if you were born that way. Gay marriage is a civil rights issue. If marriage is a religious based ceremony, then the state shouldn't be participating. If marriage is a union of two adults living together, then it shouldn't matter what your sexual orientation is.
And even if it is caused by some hormones prior to birth, why does that mitigate your civil rights, etc?
Sorry, AUM, but I think a better answer to ManGAD's question about why gays care about marriage is that being married will help with little matters like inheritance, medical power of attorney, child custody...you know, potentially catastrophic situations in which married couples now enjoy automatic legal protections but gays can get screwed pretty quick.
Okay, I know that Leslie Stahl isn't exactly a Harvard scientist, but this is one news story that explores the idea that hormonal levels may be a factor in determining sexual orientation.
I've seen that episode. It doesn't exclusively point to hormonal changes as the potential cause behind homosexuality. They claimed it's possibly due to several factors including hormone levels. In short it's multifactorial.
You might find this interesting. This is an abstract from the the Journal of Endocrinology, a reputable medical journal.
Forty-two members of a Lesbian organization volunteered to participate in a study designed to seek organic abnormalities. Urinary levels of oestrone, oestradiol, oestriol, pregnanediol, 17-oxosteroids, 17-hydroxycorticosteroids, testosterone and epitestosterone were determined. No consistent pattern of hormonal abnormality emerged. Thirty-seven of the subjects completed the Eysenck Personality Inventory and 39 completed a questionnaire. The mean neuroticism score for the group was significantly higher and the mean extraversion score was significantly lower than in the normal population. This finding of dysthymia was reflected to some extent by the high incidence of past psychiatric treatment for anxiety and/or depression.
Why, when the idea of gay marriage comes up, do we always have to rehash the "choice vs. nature" arguement?
I think it was just a side discussion that some of us find interesting.
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Originally Posted by stan4
And even if it is caused by some hormones prior to birth, why does that mitigate your civil rights, etc?
Sorry, AUM, but I think a better answer to ManGAD's question about why gays care about marriage is that being married will help with little matters like inheritance, medical power of attorney, child custody...you know, potentially catastrophic situations in which married couples now enjoy automatic legal protections but gays can get screwed pretty quick.
You're right, stan. I was speaking for myself, really. He sort of asked me to answer his question as a representative of all gay people, and that's impossible for me to do.
This finding of dysthymia was reflected to some extent by the high incidence of past psychiatric treatment for anxiety and/or depression.
I can certainly relate to that part. When you grow up in a society that tells you there's something fundamentally wrong with you and is often hostile about it, it's hard to not end up with some form of anxiety or depression.
Thanks for the info, though. It's good that we have people here who do care about real science.
Well, it's not like what you said isn't true. When it's not an issue, it's hard to understand why it is an issue for others.
And yet the question is asked on this forum repeatedly - probably every day. I certainly understand how it's not possible to know what it's like to be someone different, but it's too bad so many of them are hostile about it. Their attitude is essentially: "What's wrong with you? It's not a problem for me, so it shouldn't be a problem for you." They're lacking in empathy, to say the least.
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