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Old 10-29-2009, 12:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Saw a number of commentators on TV last night, some of whom were Senators and Representatives. They were talking about the new "Opt-out" provision Harry Reid has announced, that comes with the Government Option he has put back into the Senate's plan.

They said it was hard to get details on exactly how it worked, and they expressed frustration over that. They also said that from what they were told, states could "opt out" of receiving this new Government health care option... but not opt out of paying for it, even if they didn't receive it!

This is bizarre, to put it mildly. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe it. Who on earth would put something like that out as a viable plan? Expecially for the ENTIRE COUNTRY?

Has anyone heard any more details?

Is this new Senate plan really as whacky as that?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Saw a number of commentators on TV last night, some of whom were Senators and Representatives. They were talking about the new "Opt-out" provision Harry Reid has announced, that comes with the Government Option he has put back into the Senate's plan.

They said it was hard to get details on exactly how it worked, and they expressed frustration over that. They also said that from what they were told, states could "opt out" of receiving this new Government health care option... but not opt out of paying for it, even if they didn't receive it!

This is bizarre, to put it mildly. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe it. Who on earth would put something like that out as a viable plan? Expecially for the ENTIRE COUNTRY?

Has anyone heard any more details?

Is this new Senate plan really as whacky as that?

Inquiring minds want to know!
From what I understand, this is accurate. I think Reid is counting on a lot of minds not inquiring.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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What do you mean by "states paying for it"? Elaborate, and provide a credible link.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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paying for it as in the FEDERAL debt that is accumulated from funding a public option is not payable by citizens of these states that opt out.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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paying for it as in the FEDERAL debt that is accumulated from funding a public option is not payable by citizens of these states that opt out.
Not to mention the portion of the FEDERAL income taxes collected from residents of the opt-out states that goes to pay for it.

Glad to see so many catching on to this scam!
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Come on. This CAN'T be for real. If you "opt out" of something, that means you will have nothing to do with it... either paying or receiving. Right???

How could it not mean that?

Don't words have any meaning to these Senate Democrats?
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Come on. This CAN'T be for real. If you "opt out" of something, that means you will have nothing to do with it... either paying or receiving. Right???

How could it not mean that?

Don't words have any meaning to these Senate Democrats?
You did not address my post. Here it is again:
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What do you mean by "states paying for it"? Elaborate, and provide a credible link.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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You did not address my post. Here it is again:
A state can decide to not to participate if the citizens are not in favor of it. The citizens of that state and the businesses of that state still pay for it through their federal taxes despite their choice to not participate.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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Saw a number of commentators on TV last night, some of whom were Senators and Representatives. They were talking about the new "Opt-out" provision Harry Reid has announced, that comes with the Government Option he has put back into the Senate's plan.

They said it was hard to get details on exactly how it worked, and they expressed frustration over that. They also said that from what they were told, states could "opt out" of receiving this new Government health care option... but not opt out of paying for it, even if they didn't receive it!

This is bizarre, to put it mildly. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe it. Who on earth would put something like that out as a viable plan? Expecially for the ENTIRE COUNTRY?

Has anyone heard any more details?

Is this new Senate plan really as whacky as that?

Inquiring minds want to know!
You highlight an ongoing problem with this Congress and this President: a sheer lack of details is partly to blame for the uproar this legislation has generated. Either Democrats have something to hide, or they're completely removed from the expectations of the average citizen.

You hit the nail on the head - inquiring minds do want to know, but it seems that the pencil-pushers' in DC don't want you to know - which I believe is by design.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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A state can decide to not to participate if the citizens are not in favor of it. The citizens of that state and the businesses of that state still pay for it through their federal taxes despite their choice to not participate.
1-Federal taxes are NOT a state issue.
2-Which taxes are we talking about?
3-Why is "state" so much more important to many than their "country"?
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