Planned Parenthood Leader Resigns After Watching Abortion Ultrasound (Video) (wisdom, cost, carry)

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

If there was never a need for another abortion EVER, I'd be extremely happy. And I'm pro choice. The difference, is that I'm not forcing a woman to bend to MY will and MY choice. It's between her, and her family/doctor.

No but your stance allows the death of 49 million unborn. Abortion forces death on them. Abortion forces the will of death on the unborn. Your will to allow the killing your choice

[mysticaltyger]

I am so sick of both sides of the abortion debate.

Fortunately, the number of abortions performed in the US has been dropping over the last 20 years or so.

We had 1,200,000 abortions in the US in 2006. I still find that horrific. It certainly isn't anything close to rare.

We need to accept the reality it isn't going away whether it is legal or not.

No one will ever be able to conclusively prove when life begins. That said, I think it's safe to say that if we, as a culture say we respect life, we ought to err on the side of caution and admit what while abortion may be necessary, we will actively work to make sure there are fewer of them without being draconian about it. We need to admit that we will never achieve the goal of 0 abortions or 0 unplanned pregnancies. But we can and should get a lot closer to that number than we are now.

If we really want to stop abortion, this is what we should do:

--Strealine school so that people can graduate from HS early. Streamline college. Few are graduating in 4 years any more. Many attend and then drop out with little to show for it. People not interested in college should have viable vocational ed training in high school so they can get decent paying jobs. This will make marriage and child rearing more economically viable for young people and use education dollars more effectively.

--Teach comprehensive sex ed in school. That would include the benefits of waiting until marriage/limiting the # of sexual partners as well as birth control. We would also need to teach people that birth control is not a cure all. At some point in a person's lifetime, it is probably going to fail, even if used correctly. We should also teach people about the emotional consequences of sex. I sure wish someone had taught me about this!!!!

--We should also prmote (I said, promote, not force) adoption. Most women seem to think this is not even a viable option any more.

I'm sure there are other things that could be done as well. The point is, we need to work together to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies, and not have a "my way or the highway/one size fits all" approach to the issue.

Both sides of the issue seem obsessed with the legality or abortion and do little or nothing about prevention. Essentially we're doing the typical American thing. We wait until there is a problem and then we fight about whose fault it is, instead of trying to prevent the problem in the first place.

[DressageGirl]

Your post was fantastic. Even if abortion was illegal there would still be abortion. What if there were things we could do to lower that abortion rate while still keeping it legal which would perhaps lower that rate to lower than what it would be if it were illegal. But noone cares about that. They just want to hate the other side.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by DressageGirl

Your post was fantastic. Even if abortion was illegal there would still be abortion. What if there were things we could do to lower that abortion rate while still keeping it legal which would perhaps lower that rate to lower than what it would be if it were illegal. But noone cares about that. They just want to hate the other side.

Yes, exactly...that's what I'm getting at. And the irony for the pro-life crowd is that if they'd changed their tactics, we'd probably have fewer abortions. Both sides are more interested in being "right" than doing anything constructive.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by Jill61

"Planned Parenthood Leader Resigns After Watching Abortion Ultrasound"

After, but not because of.

"It seemed like maybe [a business model from one that pushed prevention] is not what a lot of people were believing any more because that's not where the money was. The money wasn't in family planning, the money wasn't in prevention, the money was in abortion and so I had a problem with that," said Johnson.

The writer should have had a quote with her saying she quit because of the ultrasound. That would be the most important quote of the the article. Instead, they quoted her complaining about money.

[JetJockey]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

No but your stance allows the death of 49 million unborn. Abortion forces death on them. Abortion forces the will of death on the unborn. Your will to allow the killing your choice

Regardless of whether it's illegal or not, it will still go on. Would you rather women die from unsterilized instruments and uncertified 'doctors' doing the procedure in an unsafe environment? I'm sure the women 'get what they deserve', right?

You're not changing my mind. I wish the prolife and prochoice people could get together and agree that there MUST be a way to educate and prevent unwanted pregnancies that will result in abortion..but many don't even want that. How do you feel about birth control? Masturbation? Morning after pill?

[NVplumber]

I'm not going to judge either side of this debate. It's a pretty personal issue to me. I would not want a woman who was carrying my child to abort, I couldn't swallow the thought. I remember watching the ultra sounds of my son, he made faces, stuck out his tounge, all kinds of stuff that radiated personality. In the womb or not, he was a child to me. MY child. My mind was completely made up on this issue after going through the pregnancy with my wife. Whatever anyone else thinks or does in this regard is on their conscience.

[MissNM]

Planned Parenthood helps people plan to have children when they are ready. They perform pap smears and fertility support. And they do provide birth control. It's not all about abortions.

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

If you are pro choice , by definition you are pro abortion. The problem pro abortion has is the term pro choice is a nicer term. Pro choice allows you to hide the behind a semantic shield that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy while you support the willful genocide of the unborn.
Pro choice is pro abortion. If you were against abortion you would be pro life.

Also, by definition, if you are pro-life, you are anti-abortion. I remember when the anti AB crowd actually changed their name for themselves, because being anti-something, is negative.

Also, pro-choice also means allowing the woman to choose to have a baby, or adopt the baby out. I agree adoption should be encouraged more. There are many families that want to adopt, and go to great lengths to do so.

[Jill61]

This thread isn't about abortion per se. It's about the Director of one of Planned Parenthood's locations, quitting. The reason she quit is presented in the OP as because of an ultrasound of an abortion that she watched. The reason she quit according to the actual article cited, is that the center's focus turned to promoting abortion over promoting prevention, allegedly because the center could make more money charging for abortions than treating for prevention.