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Old 11-04-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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Vey late last night AUM informed me that in all of the states that allow gay marriage, it was due to judicial activism and not the will of the people via a vote. In fact, in two states, California and Maine, both liberal states, the people overturned the judges wishes and declared that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Often times, those that support gay marriage point to Canada, Belgium, Sweden, etc where gay marriage is legal. My question is; does anyone know if it was made legal in these places by the will of the people via a vote, or by judicial activism like the states here? Thanks
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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Good question.

Actually my cousin works for the Canadian government in the actual Parliament Building in Ottawa.

I will ask her tonight and get back to you when she responds. She of all people will know.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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Good question.

Actually my cousin works for the Canadian government in the actual Parliament Building in Ottawa.

I will ask her tonight and get back to you when she responds. She of all people will know.
That's cool. Thanks
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Not in the US. Not once.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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The answer is on the internet you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

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Court decisions, starting in 2003, each already legalized same-sex marriage in eight out of ten provinces and one of three territories, whose residents comprised about 90% of Canada's population.
In Canada - by court decree (government).

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The marriage bill passed the House of Representatives by a majority of 109 against 33 votes. The Senate approved the bill on 19 December 2000. Only the Christian parties, which held 26 of the 75 seats at the time, voted against the bill.
In the Netherlands - by their government.

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Same-sex marriage became legal in Norway on January 1, 2009 when a gender neutral marriage bill was enacted after being passed by the Norwegian legislature in June 2008. Norway became the sixth country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage.
In Norway - by their government (marriage bill)

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Same-sex marriage became legal in South Africa on 30 November 2006 when the Civil Unions Bill was enacted after having been passed by the South African Parliament earlier that month.
In South Africa - by their government

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After much debate, a law permitting same-sex marriage was passed by the Cortes Generales (Spain's bicameral parliament, composed of the Senate and the Congress of Deputies) on 30 June 2005 and published on 2 July 2005. Same-sex marriage became legal in Spain on Sunday, 3 July 2005,
In Spain - by their government

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Same-sex marriages in Sweden have been officially recognized since 1 May 2009, following the adoption of a new, gender-neutral law on marriage by the Swedish parliament on 1 April 2009,[1] making Sweden the seventh country in the world to open marriage to same sex couples nationwide.
In Sweden - by their government


So there's your answer.

NO NATION ON THE PLANET HAS EVER ALLOWED GAY MARRIAGE TO BECOME LEGAL BY A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED IN EVERY CASE TO ALLOW HOMOSEXUALS TO MARRY.

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Old 11-04-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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Not in the US. Not once.
I know, that was in my op. I'm talking about in the few "progressive" countries that I cited where it is legal. Did the people actually vote on it, or was it due to judicial activism?
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Err Maine was passed by the state Legislator and Governor not by judges...

New Hampshire was passed by both Houses of the State Legislature and signed by the Governor.

Vermont was passed by both Houses of the State Legislature, then vetoed by the Governor and was both Houses of the State Legislature voted to override the Veto.

Equal Rights should never be put up for a vote.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Err Maine was passed by the state Legislator and Governor not by judges...

New Hampshire was passed by both Houses of the State Legislature and signed by the Governor.

Vermont was passed by both Houses of the State Legislature, then vetoed by the Governor and was both Houses of the State Legislature voted to override the Veto.

Equal Rights should never be put up for a vote.
Agreed on that!!!
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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No, but do you also call it "judicial activism" when it's conservatives who win a court case? My hunch is that you don't.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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In the UK when civil partnerships were brought in, most people were asking why it was not called civil marriage. People refer to it as gay marriage.
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