Animal Cruelty?? (politicians, propaganda, doctor, world)

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Marlow

Why did it scare you? Because of what you paid for it? If you're willing to wear an animal skin, and it's soft and pretty, what difference does the species make?

If you pay mink prices and get muskrat, it's no different than ordering a gold coin and getting a silver one.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Mearth

Waste is not the main point.

I already posted the main point:

I was responding to someone else I believe...but you are incorrect. Electrocution is not the accepted procedure in the U.S., gassing is. It's painless, makes them go to sleep and they just never wake up. Fur Farming in North America (http://www.furcommission.com/farming/index.html - broken link)

[Mearth]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I was responding to someone else I believe...but you are incorrect. Electrocution is not the accepted procedure in the U.S., gassing is. It's painless, makes them go to sleep and they just never wake up. Fur Farming in North America (http://www.furcommission.com/farming/index.html - broken link)

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I am aware that gas is the officially ENDORSED method, but the most often-PRACTICED method is still electrocution. Especially overseas, where most of our fur comes from.

[Rggr]

Originally Posted by gnab gib

Show me the evidence that humans are "meant" to eat meat.

Eating meat is a choice, just like being a vegetarian is. No one needs to eat meat -- you can get all the same nutritional benefits from a plant-based diet.

We have different types of teeth so that we can eat different types of foods.

[sanrene]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

A headshot is better (quicker death) but presents a smaller target and higher risk of missing. So I don't generally do headshots. In fact, poachers here prefer .22's and headshots because it drops them quickly. So a centerfire cartridge from a legit. hunter is obviously that much better...

My hubby always goes for a heart shot, a virtually instantaneous death. Of course, he's an excellent shot.

Head shots can be tricky.

[Mearth]

Originally Posted by Rggr

We have different types of teeth so that we can eat different types of foods.

Typical response, but a doctor begs to differ:

Te following info comes from "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating", by Milton R. Mills, M.D.

Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type
CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location
CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion
CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles
CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors
CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines
CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars
CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing
CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva
CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type
CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity
CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity
CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine
CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon
CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver
CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney
CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails
CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Mearth

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I am aware that gas is the officially ENDORSED method, but the most often-PRACTICED method is still electrocution. Especially overseas, where most of our fur comes from.

No, gassing doesn't risk damaging the fur like electrocution. Even from only an economic perspective electrocution makes no sense. I'm not aware of any fur farm that uses electrocution in the U.S.

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I was responding to someone else I believe...but you are incorrect. Electrocution is not the accepted procedure in the U.S., gassing is. It's painless, makes them go to sleep and they just never wake up. Fur Farming in North America (http://www.furcommission.com/farming/index.html - broken link)

The link states CO or CO2. It's the same in pharma. Using CO2 is not painless. It's suffocation. CO would be much better. Dying of suffocation must suck.

[Mearth]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

No, gassing doesn't risk damaging the fur like electrocution. Even from only an economic perspective electrocution makes no sense. I'm not aware of any fur farm that uses electrocution in the U.S.

No, that's EXACTLY why it's preferred - when you send an electrical current through the anus & genitalia, it keeps the fur intact. AND it's cheaper than gas - which, as the above poster stated, isn't all that humane itself.

Although you may not be aware of it, U.S. fur producers use electrocution often enough that states have actually had to make an effort to legally ban the practice.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Braunwyn

The link states CO or CO2. It's the same in pharma. Using CO2 is not painless. It's suffocation. CO would be much better. Dying of suffocation must suck.

If CO2 builds up slowly it is painful. A sudden, quick, high concentration dose of it will take an animal out instantly.

CO would be a better method though.