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Old 11-18-2009, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Yeah but garbage in, garbage out. What motivated the states to report junk numbers and make believe congressional districts? In other words, how do the states that did this, benefit? Follow the money. Until we know how the reporting states benefit by making stuff up, I'm willing to give the White House a pass with the exception of not having someone in the White House checking the junk numbers they received before making a success announcement.

You know, a lot of times the government puts programs in action without the proper monitoring and measuring tools to ensure uniformity of reporting. It's usually not discovered until Congress asks a question, no one has any data for and then there's a scramble to pull stuff out of thin air. It's really easy to game the system if one is so inclined to do so for some kind of benefit
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:59 AM
 
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You know, a lot of times the government puts programs in action without the proper monitoring and measuring tools to ensure uniformity of reporting.
"A lot of times" implies history, a pattern, etc. Obama promised CHANGE. Is "a lot of times" any sort of CHANGE? Doesn't look like it. Obama set the bar VERY HIGH for himself. It is his responsibility to measure up to that bar. He isn't doing it.

Bogus info on a White House website is just as pathetic as turning in bogus info in the first place.

I haven't seen one bit of change out of Obama, just a bunch of spin, lies, excuses, blame, jive talk, shell games, etc, etc.
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:22 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Recovery Board Chairman: We Can’t Certify Jobs Data at Recovery.gov

Recovery Board Chairman: We Can’t Certify Jobs Data at Recovery.gov - The Note
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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“Your letter specifically asks if I am able to certify that the number of jobs reported as created/saved on Recovery.gov is accurate and auditable. No, I am not able to make this certification,” Devaney wrote, in a letter provided to ABC News.
Incredible.
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:29 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Stimulus is working in Ohio -- even in phantom districts

Stimulus is working in Ohio -- even in phantom districts | OPEN: Ohio Politics - cleveland.com - - cleveland.com
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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I believe this was a mistake, not a case of trying to provide pumped up numbers to justify the stimulas.

Eitherway though, the left needs to accept responsibility for the error, and stop trying to turn the tables with every situation of error in the WH as a witch hunt. It only further appears that your blinders are on to tightly.

The WH spent how many MILLIONS on the website? The purpose was to provide transparency in government, a catalyst of their platform. What good is transparency if it is nothing but errors?

Nothing leaves my office unless it is QAQC'd for errors and typos to ensure that our reputation isn't put on the line for something easy to catch. Infact, something easy that slides by is more harmful than something complex as people are understanding of complex issues causing errors. Even worse, is sending something out with easy errors on it and then when called on it by a client, making excuses.

The WH needs to step up to the plate and accept responsibility for their errors. They needs to say "Yeah, we messed up and released this info without due deligence, and the website has numerous errors. We appologize, and are working as swiftly as possible to resolve the situation and maintain our promise to provide transparency in government. Transparency with accurate information. Thank you for your understanding as we evaluate our processes to ensure these errors do not happen again"


Instead you get... "It wasn't our fault because X".

Unsatisfactory.

The left needs to accept this.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:16 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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I believe this was a mistake, not a case of trying to provide pumped up numbers to justify the stimulas.

Eitherway though, the left needs to accept responsibility for the error, and stop trying to turn the tables with every situation of error in the WH as a witch hunt. It only further appears that your blinders are on to tightly.

The WH spent how many MILLIONS on the website? The purpose was to provide transparency in government, a catalyst of their platform. What good is transparency if it is nothing but errors?

Nothing leaves my office unless it is QAQC'd for errors and typos to ensure that our reputation isn't put on the line for something easy to catch. Infact, something easy that slides by is more harmful than something complex as people are understanding of complex issues causing errors. Even worse, is sending something out with easy errors on it and then when called on it by a client, making excuses.

The WH needs to step up to the plate and accept responsibility for their errors. They needs to say "Yeah, we messed up and released this info without due deligence, and the website has numerous errors. We appologize, and are working as swiftly as possible to resolve the situation and maintain our promise to provide transparency in government. Transparency with accurate information. Thank you for your understanding as we evaluate our processes to ensure these errors do not happen again"


Instead you get... "It wasn't our fault because X".

Unsatisfactory.

The left needs to accept this.
I am waiting for them to blame Bush or Palin. Maybe even Limbaugh or Beck. Anything to avoid admitting that they screwed up.
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:59 AM
 
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I believe this was a mistake, not a case of trying to provide pumped up numbers to justify the stimulas.
Again, very funny that all the mistakes are in the positive column.....mistakes that go the direction the WH political winds want. Why were the mistakes all "overcounts" and not "undercounts"? Very fishy.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Over There
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You can't conclusively prove a negative, so I guess that means that there is nothing that isn't true. No rational person can believe that you can put $300 billion or so worth of demand into an economy and not either create or save a single job. You and everybody else knows full well that jobs have been created and saved. The only issue is how best to measure the effect. That people don't understand how the most accuate means work doesn't mean that they aren't the most accurate means.

There is no way to count "jobs saved" that is just a catch phase they use to make the numbers look better then they really are.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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Sag is an economist of sorts. Economics of course is not even a real science, but more voodoo and ouji board. They can use words like "might" and "could" without the fear of accountibility.
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