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Old 11-17-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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Next, the government will force pregnant women to have Caesarean sections in order to cut down hospital costs.

Oh wait, the medical community does that now.

Why the National U.S. C-Section Rate is Rising | Cesarean Section :: Childbirth Connection
Whe socialist health care will be a fact it will go down quickly...also pain killers during the delivery will go down...because in Europe woman get children without all the pain killers...= cheaper!
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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Read the article. This was a government study that is lining up with international practices (socialized medicine) to save money. This is a money game that will cause people to die. Wake up !! And it will cause the insurance companies now not to cover mammograms for women under the age of 50. Ok. I did all the brain work for some people here who are socialists. It also creates a conflict with the American Cancer Society who still recommends mammograms for women under the age of 50. Where are all the liberal feminists now??? I guess its far more important to agree with Obama than to protect the lives of women.
Did you notice the part where women under 40 had been diagnosed? You're comparing "guidelines" with "rules". You're saying if a younger woman detects a lump in her breast the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommendation means she doesn't need to worry about it if she's younger than 50 or the insurance companies won't be required to pay for the exam based upon the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommendations.

I'm sure I'm asking a lot of a conservative but could you point to that part of the article indicates anybody going into cahoots with socialists? Do you even know what socialism is? Is Obama a member of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force? He doesn't seem to qualify with a mere law degree.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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It won't matter if we want mammograms our docs won't be allowed to order them for us. Pelosicare will tell them what the rules are.
If it's that important to you to have one, pay for it. What happened to that "personal responsibility" rant the right throws at others?
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Whe socialist health care will be a fact it will go down quickly...also pain killers during the delivery will go down...because in Europe woman get children without all the pain killers...= cheaper!
Healthier.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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Did you notice the part where women under 40 had been diagnosed? You're comparing "guidelines" with "rules". You're saying if a younger woman detects a lump in her breast the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommendation means she doesn't need to worry about it if she's younger than 50 or the insurance companies won't be required to pay for the exam based upon the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommendations.

I'm sure I'm asking a lot of a conservative but could you point to that part of the article indicates anybody going into cahoots with socialists? Do you even know what socialism is? Is Obama a member of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force? He doesn't seem to qualify with a mere law degree.
This is the beginning of the health care rationing that we will be dealing with. You can deny all you want, but those of us who work in health care know the real deal. Good luck people. Those of us in health care won't be affected because of professional courtesy, I already have access to the best doctors in the Country so quite honestly, its no skin off my back. But you guys...good luck with what you voted for...
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:43 AM
 
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"The USPSTF concludes that the current evidence is insufficient to assess the balance of benefits and harms of aspirin for cardiovascular disease prevention in men and women 80 years or older."

In the conservative mind, it would be an Obama plot to kill off the elderly.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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This is the beginning of the health care rationing that we will be dealing with. You can deny all you want, but those of us who work in health care know the real deal. Good luck people. Those of us in health care won't be affected because of professional courtesy, I already have access to the best doctors in the Country so quite honestly, its no skin off my back. But you guys...good luck with what you voted for...
The beginning????? You claim to work in health care and you honestly believe that health care is not already rationed?

Health Care Reform 101—About Rationing: US Health System is Rife with Rationing Already | Suite101.com (http://healthfieldmedicare.suite101.com/article.cfm/health_care_reform_101_about_rationing - broken link)

As for this particular 'news', I know that a lot of women suffer from breast cancer, but, from my perspective it's become the 'disease of the week' magnified over the last ten years. More women die from heart or lung disease every year than from breast cancer.
Dr. Nancy is talking about this now and she reminds us that even though it is a government task force - it is still a group of doctors with experience in this field. We shouldn't dismiss the science behind their recommendation, just because we don't like the message.
And, the fact remains that unless you have coverage, you ain't getting an elective mammogram no matter what your age.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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Let the games begin!

Every time something like this will happen, the left will dismiss the idea saying that it's got nothing to do with anything. This will happen over and over and over again until we're looking at full blown rationing.

Then the left will sit back and say "what happened"?

It's good to know that at least some of us aren't blind to this garbage.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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If it's that important to you to have one, pay for it. What happened to that "personal responsibility" rant the right throws at others?
We already are paying for it...by having health care...so why does it need to be changed...only because Pelosi is over 65!
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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This is the beginning of the health care rationing that we will be dealing with. You can deny all you want, but those of us who work in health care know the real deal. Good luck people. Those of us in health care won't be affected because of professional courtesy, I already have access to the best doctors in the Country so quite honestly, its no skin off my back. But you guys...good luck with what you voted for...
I'm not denying anything. I'm just asking you to produce something to justify what you jabbering about.

Where do you get "rationing" from. A news article, government report, excerpts from a law - something. Point it out. I dare you.

Please don't insult us with Limbaugh commentary.
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