Your views on feminism (9/11, retired, income, percentage)
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I agree that political correctness be damned when it comes to violations of human rights, especially in the US. For the most part I think education and understanding about other cultures and other religions is critical in determining what beliefs are tolerated, and what beliefs are violations or abuses.
I do think some of the issues facing Muslim women, especially in the Middle-East are compounded by the war. I really don't want to get into a debate over the war, but rather the repurcussions for women. For about 8 years I have followed an organization called RAWA, that from conception fought for democracy of all people, but specifically women in Afghanistan. Now they are not just rebelling against fundamentalism, but also US occupation, and have become very militantly anti-American. It is very sad, because they used to have strong ties with feminist organizations in the US, but now not so much. Articles on their website are at times difficult to read, but well worth it.
And also worth mentioning that there are initiatives out there worth supporting, such as The Afghan Women Empowerment Act, S. 229 (http://www.capwiz.com/now/issues/alert/?alertid=13935851 - broken link).
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Yeah, I don't want to invite a debate on that topic either, only want to say that war always has such a destabilizing effect on any social struggle and it's very sad when progress that was so hard won is rolled back.
I agree that political correctness be damned when it comes to violations of human rights, especially in the US. For the most part I think education and understanding about other cultures and other religions is critical in determining what beliefs are tolerated, and what beliefs are violations or abuses.
I do think some of the issues facing Muslim women, especially in the Middle-East are compounded by the war. I really don't want to get into a debate over the war, but rather the repurcussions for women. For about 8 years I have followed an organization called RAWA, that from conception fought for democracy of all people, but specifically women in Afghanistan. Now they are not just rebelling against fundamentalism, but also US occupation, and have become very militantly anti-American. It is very sad, because they used to have strong ties with feminist organizations in the US, but now not so much. Articles on their website are at times difficult to read, but well worth it.
And also worth mentioning that there are initiatives out there worth supporting, such as The Afghan Women Empowerment Act, S. 229 (http://www.capwiz.com/now/issues/alert/?alertid=13935851 - broken link).
Would Muslims who believe in equality for women be deemed extremists by the rest of the Muslim world?
Zimbochick, if you have to ask, then chances are you probably don't understand the true definition of feminism either.
Chielgirl is a tireless defender of Islam, and Islam is the most anti-feminist (to put it mildly) force in the world today. Our founding feminist mothers would roll over in the graves to see an entire generation of female youth slobbering all over themselves to defend rapists and murderers and garden-variety oppressors.
I'd be very interested in your pointing me anywhere at any time where I defend any religious belief.
Knock yourself out, I'll wait... and wait... and wait.
the womens movement was founded to right some wrongs.
it resulted in part in doing so.
but the cost to family and marriage was enormous.
largest prison population in the world
a creeping distrust between the sexes that will never be restored
marriage down 50%
divorce up 50%
it used to be "we"
now its only "me me me".
the sky is cryin sing it.
Shame on women not wanting to be owned by men.
Shame on them for demanding equality.
Shame on them for not accepting abuse.
Shame on them for demanding equal pay for equal work.
Shame on them for demanding the vote.
Shame on them for wanting to own property.
Shame on them for being people.
Can’t vote. I believe women should be treated no differently than men.
But what feminism in now is a branch of the liberal political machine.
After NOW and other organizations refused to stand up to the sexist attacks that Sarah Palin suffered and even some of the sexist attacks that Hillary Clinton suffered when it was apparent that Obama was going to win, it became apparent to me that winning and being liberal was more important than fighting for equality for all women.
But what feminism in now is a branch of the liberal political machine.
How so?
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After NOW and other organizations refused to stand up to the sexist attacks that Sarah Palin suffered and even some of the sexist attacks that Hillary Clinton suffered when it was apparent that Obama was going to win, it became apparent to me that winning and being liberal was more important than fighting for equality for all women.
Could you please be specific about the sexist attacks leveled against Sarah Palin and Hilary Clinton?
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Would Muslims who believe in equality for women be deemed extremists by the rest of the Muslim world?
I think the thing is--and I actually took a grad class on feminism and the Middle East--that those who are loudest and most extreme seem to exceed their actual numbers. That's true in any culture, even ours. The extremes at both ends of the political spectrum make tons of noise. For a lot of reasons, these extremes have gained control in some Muslim countries. While life for many women may not be great in many Muslim countries, on the whole, I believe that most people are in the middle. They live their lives pretty much as other people do.
A good book that shows this is *Three Cups of Tea.* It is the true story of how one American man built and continues to build elementary schools throughout Afghanistan and then Pakistan. He believes that from simply educating girls at an elementary level in small and remote villages, much change can follow. It's a cool back. If anyone has any extra money, I'd give it to an organization like that guy's. Almost all the money goes directly to building and staffing the schools. The guy's name is Greg Mortenson.
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