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Well, I am a woman who voted against feminism in this poll, and maybe I shouldn't have considering where I actually stand on things. But I am old enough that I was a young teen-ager when "feminism" began to come on the scene. I am all for equal rights for women and all that. Certainly! But the term "feminism" to me, rightly or wrongly, smacks of "militant" feminism, bra-burnings etc. Kind of an "angry" feminism if that makes any sense. That kind of thing turns me off. Again, maybe that's just my impression which may no longer be applicable. Chattypatty mentioned this too. The definition of "feminism" has all sorts of "connotations attached to it. The dictionary may define it one way, but again, those of us who were around when it burst on the scene will likely have some other thoughts about what feminism actually is about. If the poll had simply asked if you were in favor of equality for women, I think you would not find anyone or very few who would be against that.
I hope a misunderstanding of the definition is the reason these people voted as they did. The OP should have included a definition.
the womens movement was founded to right some wrongs.
it resulted in part in doing so.
but the cost to family and marriage was enormous.
largest prison population in the world
a creeping distrust between the sexes that will never be restored
marriage down 50%
divorce up 50%
it used to be "we"
now its only "me me me".
the sky is cryin sing it.
I do think the divorce rate is terribly high, and I don't take that lightly, but a woman staying married simply because she has no choice is not an acceptable alternative.
Feminism, just like anything else in the world, can be misused. Surprise. Surprise. HOWEVER, let me tell you what it was like for women back when I was young.
1. When I got my first job after being married I had to have the written permission of my husband before they would hire me.
2. When they interviewed me they asked me how bad my "monthlies" were and if they would cause me to miss work.
3. I worked right next too a young boy who still lived home with mom and dad and was working to support his car. We were doing the exact same job only I was much better at it. (Not bragging, just the truth.) He was paid almost a dollar an hour more than me. When I asked why I was told that "he's a man and needs more to support a family."
4. I can't even begin to count the number of times I was sexually harrassed and insulted when I wouldn't play along.
5. I couldn't get a credit card in my name. I couldn't buy a house in my name.
All of this did inspire me to go college and get my degrees in the mistaken belief that I would not suffer such indignities in the type of jobs an education would provide. The only thing that changed was the wardrobe of those who treated me in such a manner.
BUT, let me be completely honest here and say that, along the way, there were several good men who encouraged me, mentored me, stood up for me, and helped me achieve my goals. There were also wonderful women who helped me every step of the way.
The main thing is that those who dismiss feminism as unneccessary and harmful don't realize what it was like for women before their rights were realized. The nasty, petty insults that were swallowed on a daily basis and the big, important things like not being able to support your family or own a home or get a job for which you were qualified. Believe me, back in the day we weren't fighting for the "right" to open our own doors. Personally, if someone opens a door for me, I will walk through and say thank you.
Feminism, just like anything else in the world, can be misused. Surprise. Surprise. HOWEVER, let me tell you what it was like for women back when I was young.
1. When I got my first job after being married I had to have the written permission of my husband before they would hire me.
2. When they interviewed me they asked me how bad my "monthlies" were and if they would cause me to miss work.
3. I worked right next too a young boy who still lived home with mom and dad and was working to support his car. We were doing the exact same job only I was much better at it. (Not bragging, just the truth.) He was paid almost a dollar an hour more than me. When I asked why I was told that "he's a man and needs more to support a family."
4. I can't even begin to count the number of times I was sexually harrassed and insulted when I wouldn't play along.
5. I couldn't get a credit card in my name. I couldn't buy a house in my name.
All of this did inspire me to go college and get my degrees in the mistaken belief that I would not suffer such indignities in the type of jobs an education would provide. The only thing that changed was the wardrobe of those who treated me in such a manner.
BUT, let me be completely honest here and say that, along the way, there were several good men who encouraged me, mentored me, stood up for me, and helped me achieve my goals. There were also wonderful women who helped me every step of the way.
The main thing is that those who dismiss feminism as unneccessary and harmful don't realize what it was like for women before their rights were realized. The nasty, petty insults that were swallowed on a daily basis and the big, important things like not being able to support your family or own a home or get a job for which you were qualified. Believe me, back in the day we weren't fighting for the "right" to open our own doors. Personally, if someone opens a door for me, I will walk through and say thank you.
Okay, okay....I'm old. Thought everyone on here knew that by now. But you know what? After 50 years some of those things still sting and a couple even can still bring tears to my eyes. "Sometimes it hurts to be a woman" weren't just words in a country song back in the day.
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Feminism, just like anything else in the world, can be misused. Surprise. Surprise. HOWEVER, let me tell you what it was like for women back when I was young.
1. When I got my first job after being married I had to have the written permission of my husband before they would hire me.
2. When they interviewed me they asked me how bad my "monthlies" were and if they would cause me to miss work.
3. I worked right next too a young boy who still lived home with mom and dad and was working to support his car. We were doing the exact same job only I was much better at it. (Not bragging, just the truth.) He was paid almost a dollar an hour more than me. When I asked why I was told that "he's a man and needs more to support a family."
4. I can't even begin to count the number of times I was sexually harrassed and insulted when I wouldn't play along.
5. I couldn't get a credit card in my name. I couldn't buy a house in my name.
All of this did inspire me to go college and get my degrees in the mistaken belief that I would not suffer such indignities in the type of jobs an education would provide. The only thing that changed was the wardrobe of those who treated me in such a manner.
BUT, let me be completely honest here and say that, along the way, there were several good men who encouraged me, mentored me, stood up for me, and helped me achieve my goals. There were also wonderful women who helped me every step of the way.
The main thing is that those who dismiss feminism as unneccessary and harmful don't realize what it was like for women before their rights were realized. The nasty, petty insults that were swallowed on a daily basis and the big, important things like not being able to support your family or own a home or get a job for which you were qualified. Believe me, back in the day we weren't fighting for the "right" to open our own doors. Personally, if someone opens a door for me, I will walk through and say thank you.
Amen, sister. Thanking you for paving the road for women my age. I went through some crap, but nothing that bad. (Came of age when sexual harassment was becoming a big deal. Date rape was next--I had been affected to some extent as had most of my friends).
Okay, okay....I'm old. Thought everyone on here knew that by now. But you know what? After 50 years some of those things still sting and a couple even can still bring tears to my eyes. "Sometimes it hurts to be a woman" weren't just words in a country song back in the day.
It is really hurtful to be a woman to me. I think it is unfair but hey. Gotta live with it, huh? Deal with it.
Every night I think about how unhappy it makes me and how much better it would have been if I was a male. For one, it would have made my parents much more happier.
LML - most young women today can't understand what is was like or what you went through. I can't either. That said, that was a long time ago. Women today don't have to deal with those conditions. Women have won the right to equality. Along with that right comes certain responsibilities. Any woman that works for me is treated with the same respect as any man. I
am an equal opportunity hard@@@.
LML - most young women today can't understand what is was like or what you went through. I can't either. That said, that was a long time ago.""
It wasn't that long ago.
"""Women today don't have to deal with those conditions."""
Yes, some of them they still do.
Women have won the right to equality. Along with that right comes certain responsibilities.""
Oh, thank you for that condescending sexist piece of c---! Will men, who always had those rights, ever start delivering on "responsibilities???
Any woman that works for me is treated with the same respect as any man. I
am an equal opportunity hard@@@.
"""Women have won the right to equality."""
Women ALWAYS had the RIGHT to equality..we didn't "win" it!
We demanded equality.
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(Came of age when sexual harassment was becoming a big deal. Date rape was next--I had been affected to some extent as had most of my friends).
