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Old 01-17-2011, 03:28 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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More non scientists commenting on things they don't understand.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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More non scientists commenting on things they don't understand.
More blind followers using fallacious positions to avoid dealing with the facts of the issue.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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I suppose it is best to fork over our earnings to all those underdeveloped nations to make things 'even'.

And while we're at it, we can praise those scientists that destroyed their data, doctored the rest of it, then told us we were too stupid to understand their conclusive evidence they were paid billions to produce.

Yeah, let's do that.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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More non scientists commenting on things they don't understand.

Are you a scientist?
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Old 01-17-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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More non scientists commenting on things they don't understand.
This sounds so much like the analogy I made concerning 2 Americans. 1 liberal, 1 conservative. The liberal American who's never been outside the U.S. and who believes the global warming hoax and believes Europe is some kind of utopia gets from liberals, the conservative one would get comments like "get out of your cave, you don't understand because you're not a scientist" Well neither are you.

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Are you a scientist?
He's not. Just another Brit that thinks he's better than Americans because he's British. I got back from England last night and I'm really glad because I got fed up with all the carbon footprint signs plastered in the bathrooms (sorry achineer, I meant the toilets), product packaging at Tesco, and in fridge units at said Tesco stores.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Check my profile, the info is there
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:25 PM
 
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Climate cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (basic source, I know, but it summarises better than I)



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A climate cycle is a type of recurring climate pattern that involves natural cyclic variations in the Earth's surface temperature, as indicated by temperature proxies found in glacier ice, sea bed sediment, tree ring studies or otherwise.
One difficulty in detecting climate cycles is that the Earth's climate has been changing in non-cyclic ways over most scales of time. For instance, we are now in a period of global warming that seems to be anthropogenic. In a larger time frame, the Earth is emerging from the latest ice age, which means that climate has been changing over the last 15,000 years or so. And the Pleistocene period, dominated by repeated glaciations, has developed out of a more stable climate in the Miocene and Pliocene. All of these changes complicate the task of looking for cyclical behavior in the climate.
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Climate cycles are popular with media. One example is a 2003 study on the correlation between wheat prices and sunspot numbers.
As well we know
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Global warming waning? Hardly. 2010 was tied as warmest year on record.
2010 tied as warmest year ever, NOAA climatologists say. Year's data are consistent with the notion that greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels are contributing to global warming.

This caps a decade marked by nine of the 10 warmest years on record and represents the 34th consecutive year in which global average temperatures topped the 20th-century average, according to data compiled by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:42 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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the problem here is that people are using BAD FALSEIFIED SCIENCE to scare people about warming or cooling and they are using c02 as a scapegoat

guess what our co2 levels are currently around 350ppm

co2 levels were over 700 ppm 20 thousand years ago....so what's the big deal

guess what, by science no less...the ideal co2 ppm for most plants is....700 ppm


As the air's CO2 content rises, most plants exhibit increased rates of net photosynthesis and biomass production. Moreover, on a per-unit-leaf-area basis, plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration, as they tend to display lower stomatal conductances. Hence, the amount of carbon gained per unit of water lost per unit leaf area - or water-use efficiency - should increase dramatically as the air's CO2 content rises. In the study of Serraj et al. (1999), soybeans grown at 700 ppm CO2 displayed 10 to 25% reductions in total water loss while simultaneously exhibiting increases in dry weight of as much as 33%. Thus, elevated CO2 significantly increased the water-use efficiencies of the studied plants.

In summary, it is clear that as the CO2 content of the air continues to rise, nearly all of earth's agricultural species will respond favorably by exhibiting increases in water-use efficiency. It is thus likely that food and fiber production will increase on a worldwide basis, even in areas where productivity is severely restricted due to limited availability of soil moisture. Therefore, one can expect global agricultural productivity to rise in tandem with future increases in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration.

so more co2 is actually GREENER...its not theroy, its scientific fact

science shows that humans use oxygen and expele (exhale) co2

science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expeles o2

science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325 of today is is much lower than the 750-800 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush furtile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that greenland was once a green lush furtile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of graciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER

common sense states that as the earths polulation expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.......yet the global warming people only want to talk about car/industry exaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it

then they use 'the sealevel will rise' lie




In 1842 the "Isle of the Dead" in SE Tasmania was selected for the site of a "Mean Sea Level" refernce mark by Capt. James Clark Ross. Today this mark can clearly be seen 35 cm ABOVE the current mean sea level.


the sea level has not risen

.......yet the global warming people only want to talk about car/industry exaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


NO-ONE is speaking against pollution...NO-ONE is speaking against the fact that us humans waste and abuse

we all want clean air/land/water

do we humans pollute...yes
do we humans waste...yes
do we humans overdevelop and cut trees(a natural radiant cooler and co2 user/o2 PRODUCER)...yes
are we humans the cause of ENVIROMENTAL CHANGES.........YES
are we humans the cause of the earths CLIMATE changes........NO
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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In the 1800's direct air CO2 measurements were performed by various researchers. Interestingly, the CO2 levels reported by them were mostly in excess of 300 ppm.

CO2 levels appear to have regularly exceeded 280 ppm-- the average CO2 concentration across the Holocene interglacial period (last 11,000 years) appears to have been approximately 315 ppm.


Contrary to the prevailing notion of CO2 stability, CO2 swings of 20-50 ppm or more over timespans of 500-1000 years appear to be the norm-- not the exception

There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.


The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.




or how about the plants

First a little Plant Science 101 - For a successful, productive garden, hydroponic, indoor and greenhouse growers must control six "essential elements" - air, light, nutrients, water, humidity and temperature. Remove or alter the ratio of only one of these elements, growth will slow, and plants could eventually die. In this article, we will review the air element, specifically carbon dioxide (CO2), it's role in the most vital plant process - photosynthesis - and how to effectively implement CO2 systems.

Photosynthesis begins when stomata, pore-like openings on the undersides of leaves, are activated by light and begin breathing in carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air. This CO2 is broken down into carbon (C) and oxygen (O). Some of the O is used for other plants processes, but most is expelled back into the air. The C is combined with water to form sugar molecules, which are then converted into carbohydrates. These carbohydrates (starches) combine with nutrients, such as nitrogen, to produce new plant tissues. CO2 is vital to plant growth and development, and yet is often the most overlooked element in indoor gardening.

Successful indoor growers implement methods to increase CO2 concentrations in their enclosure. The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.

Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. CO2 enriched plants grow rapidly and must also be supplied with the other five "essential elements" to ensure proper development and a plentiful harvest.

Commercially available CO2 generators offer the most economical, practical and consistent method of enriching indoor gardens. Using atmospheric control systems in conjunction with CO2 generators, ensure the most effective production and use of CO2.


As CO2 is a critical component of growth, plants in environments with inadequate CO2 levels - below 200 ppm - will cease to grow or produce.



fact Co2 is GREEN
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