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Old 05-09-2012, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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What's the solution? How do we feed, clothe, house, and transport 8 billion humans?
8 billion? How did the population jump by a billion overnight?
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yup they had a definite way to record those temps back then.

Infallible proof beyond dispute

I'm glad they have this all figured out and cleared up!!

Thanks for that REPORT - ! you get an F for a GRADE in FANTASY SCIENCE
Not my science, unlike you I always supply valid reputable links...Fantasy and misinformation is your department, no matter what subject is being discussed....And that is the polite version of what I think of your posts.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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I suppose ocean acidification due to increased levels of atmospheric CO2 isn't occurring either, right?
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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8 billion? How did the population jump by a billion overnight?
7.6 billion or 8 billion. What's your solution?
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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I suppose ocean acidification due to increased levels of atmospheric CO2 isn't occurring either, right?

What evidence do you have to come to this conclusion?
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Climate change has been going on ever since Earth has had a climate, of course, as the chart below clearly shows.

The Manmade Global Whatever fanatics might be interested to know that the current warm period they are so worried about, began approx. 10,000 years ago, sometime around 8,000 B.C. (see "Holocene Interglacial" at the right of the chart).

Damn those 10,000-year-old cave men (or whoever existed back then) for driving their SUVs all over the planet, running all those power plants, cranking those R12-filled air conditioners, and spraying all those aerosol cans with so little regard for the environment. LOOK what they did to our planet!!!

And even more shocking... it wasn't the first time. The same thing happened 130,000 years ago, too! How could all the dinosaurs, giant ferns, and microbes that populated the Earth back then, look at themselves in their mirrors every morning (surely they had mirrors) with any good conscience, knowing what they had done to our poor planet? Do you know how BIG an SUV a brontosaurus needs, just to fit inside? That thing must have been huge. How much pollution must a juggernaut like that have put out? The climate never stood a chance.

Oh, wait, they did it again, 240,000 years ago! And again, 320,000 years ago! And again..... Oh my God.


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Old 05-09-2012, 04:42 PM
 
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architect/environmental systems engineer
in other words you design buildings, and the heating and cooling systems there in. that does NOT make you a climatologist.
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Austin
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This thread serves to highlight a major problem that occurs when people who have little or no education in science jump into the middle of a scientific debate. The complexities and subtleties are completely missed, or misunderstood. ."

It isn't about science. It's about politics.

And if you make enough predictions, some of them will be true.

Predicting the future is a useless exercise, but it sure does employ a lot of people at a very high cost to the taxpayers.
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:07 PM
 
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Clearly this issue is not fully understood, despite rising CO2 levels for many years and the last few years are no different, we have many years of no warming, years which goes beyond explaining it by a rare anomaly.

"Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.
At least the weather in Copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. The Danish Meteorological Institute predicts that temperatures in December, when the city will host the United Nations Climate Change Conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.


Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.

Ironically, climate change appears to have stalled in the run-up to the upcoming world summit in the Danish capital, where thousands of politicians, bureaucrats, scientists, business leaders and environmental activists plan to negotiate a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Billions of euros are at stake in the negotiations.
Reached a Plateau
The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."
Even though the temperature standstill probably has no effect on the long-term warming trend, it does raise doubts about the predictive value of climate models, and it is also a political issue. For months, climate change skeptics have been gloating over the findings on their Internet forums. This has prompted many a climatologist to treat the temperature data in public with a sense of shame, thereby damaging their own credibility.
"It cannot be denied that this is one of the hottest issues in the scientific community," says Jochem Marotzke, director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg. "We don't really know why this stagnation is taking place at this point."
Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill."
Stagnating Temperatures: Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

The only surprising issue about the whole global warming scam was the number of fools who fell for it. Oddly, those opposing the sound principles of science and joining the global warming cult claimed to be supporting the whole scam "in the name of science".

Don't worry, like in the 1970s they will be back with the global cooling scam. The same people who supported "global warming" will be supporting "global cooling" and deny they ever supported the former.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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The numbers don't lie. Nature doesn't lie. Satellite photos showing melting icecaps don't lie. Humans (like GW deniers) lie.
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