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Old 11-20-2009, 01:31 AM
 
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Why did Reid release the text if it's a secret? Roy?
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:14 AM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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We are going to spend $849 billion to cover 47 million uninsured. Think about that. Doesn't that sound excessive? Especially since they readily admit that it will still leave 30 million uninsured.
Do these numbers make sense to you?

And Congress thinks they are qualified to write, judge, and pass their own healthcare bill? Do they even know what they are doing? Do they care, except for the victory and power they can already taste, the people be damned?
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Why does only one company - Blue Cross/Blue Shield - have a related tax hike?


If you are in a government run healtchcare plan and you have to pay a monthly abortion premium, does that make you an accomplice to murder?

Republican Leader John Boehner | Sen. Reid’s Government-Run Health Plan Requires a Monthly Abortion Fee
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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We are going to spend $849 billion to cover 47 million uninsured. Think about that. Doesn't that sound excessive? Especially since they readily admit that it will still leave 30 million uninsured.
Do these numbers make sense to you?

And Congress thinks they are qualified to write, judge, and pass their own healthcare bill? Do they even know what they are doing? Do they care, except for the victory and power they can already taste, the people be damned?
You do know the significance of the impact that spiraling health care costs have on our economy, right? The fact that small business cannot afford to be in business, in large part due to those spiraling costs, that means that the backbone source of jobs in America is drying up. Along with that, our economy is drying up. If you are outraged, and you should be, direct your outrage to the GOP. They, pretty much in unison, have and continue to do whatever they can to prevent any reform. Direct your rage where it belongs, at a time when we desperately need to get some control on the health care costs, the GOP opts not to participate and consequently, not provide spending constraints and Conservative ideas in formulating a more balanced bill. That's who you should be mad as hell with. The GOP's reasons for doing it, are stictly political. I am not saying that if the situation were reversed, the Dems would not be acting the same way. In fact, they most probably would, as they are just as politically motivated. I am saying, that if there ever was a time when politics as usual needs to be suspended, this is it!
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:58 AM
 
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If you are in a government run healtchcare plan and you have to pay a monthly abortion premium, does that make you an accomplice to murder?
Nice appeal to emotion.

No, murder is illegal. Abortion is not.
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:14 AM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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You do know the significance of the impact that spiraling health care costs have on our economy, right? The fact that small business cannot afford to be in business, in large part due to those spiraling costs, that means that the backbone source of jobs in America is drying up. Along with that, our economy is drying up. If you are outraged, and you should be, direct your outrage to the GOP. They, pretty much in unison, have and continue to do whatever they can to prevent any reform. Direct your rage where it belongs, at a time when we desperately need to get some control on the health care costs, the GOP opts not to participate and consequently, not provide spending constraints and Conservative ideas in formulating a more balanced bill. That's who you should be mad as hell with. The GOP's reasons for doing it, are stictly political. I am not saying that if the situation were reversed, the Dems would not be acting the same way. In fact, they most probably would, as they are just as politically motivated. I am saying, that if there ever was a time when politics as usual needs to be suspended, this is it!
Methinks you are leaning a bit too far to the left. Did you forget the meetings that dems held and refused republicans access? are you not aware of the recommendations the GOP has made, which were ignored - not even considered? Right yourself, man, you're about to tip over the edge.

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Nice appeal to emotion.

No, murder is illegal. Abortion is not.
Legal does not = right
Legal abortion equals = legal murder. Dress it up as you like, it's still a death.

If MY money is being used to kill a baby (in whatever stage of development and growth), and I don't object, then I'm a participant. If I object vehemently, and others more powerful still insist on taking my money for that purpose, then I am an unwilling participant.

I hope they implement an abortion tax, like the bo-tax, so that abortion can pay for itself.
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:15 AM
 
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Nice appeal to emotion.

No, murder is illegal. Abortion is not.
True. It is called genecide.
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: NJ
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So without any healthcare reform or regulations, the rich have no problem, most people with jobs, State and Federal Employees have no problem, $hit on everybody else. The unemployed lose their job and healthcare, while paying taxes to support healthcare for State and Federal Employees. My SIL works for the State, healthcare covers her and her husband who does not work for the State. Who's paying for this?
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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Why did Reid release the text if it's a secret? Roy?
Shhh Roy can't tell you it's a secret
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Methinks you are leaning a bit too far to the left. Did you forget the meetings that dems held and refused republicans access? are you not aware of the recommendations the GOP has made, which were ignored - not even considered? Right yourself, man, you're about to tip over the edge.
It's nice of you to be concerned about my balance. You seem to be either too young or mis-informed about the GOP strategy,or perhaps you agree with it. It is the same strategy used, successfully, in 1993, when Bill Kristol warned Republican leaders ithat Clinton's plan was a "serious political threat" to the party. I am aware of the the Republican "recommendations" and see little in the way of real benefit, other than Tort Reform. The fundamental problem remains, the GOP's lack of real engagement in the process will not kill a bill this time. They have been asked numerous times to get involved. They don't and they won't, for political reasons. That posturing will result in an unbalanced and overly costly initial step toward a solution. I don't see where reforming health care is a left/right issue, its needed by all of us. The Rep/Dem issue is simply a political fight about on who's watch the process starts. I am no fan of Congress, Dem or Rep, my "contempt" of them is pretty much bipartisan. It's just that this issue is huge for America, and it's currently the Dems that are working on a solution, unfortunately for us, they are doing it alone.

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