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Old 11-25-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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You programmed for 20 years then you either: don't understand the question or are playing games.

You should know this, in code, programmers leave comments so other programs who may follow can get gist of what's happening..
I can assure you the comments are rare, and usually meaningless. There are millions of lines of code in a medium size computer programs and usually ver few comments. Also, quite often the code it generated by other code generators and that usually means there are no comments at all.

That example is a perfect example of an old comment in the code which is not proof of anything. What does it mean? An old comment in the earlier version of a program? OK, so an eralier version had a problem which they corrected.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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Commenting is usually reserved for things like config files and such. In other words, it's not so much intended for other programmers as it is for end users. Not always, but in my experience this is generally true.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The NZ scandal;



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Those adjustments were made by New Zealand climate scientist Jim Salinger, a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change who started work on the series when he was with the University of East Anglia, the centre of the Climategate scandal. (Salinger was dismissed by NIWA this year for speaking without authorisation to the media.)
LOOK at the adjustments they made to get the result that matched the hockey stick.

Supposedly, the head of NIWA is supposed to come out with a statement on the reasons why they made the adjustments and why they used those numbers.

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Old 11-25-2009, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I can assure you the comments are rare, and usually meaningless. There are millions of lines of code in a medium size computer programs and usually ver few comments. Also, quite often the code it generated by other code generators and that usually means there are no comments at all.

That example is a perfect example of an old comment in the code which is not proof of anything. What does it mean? An old comment in the earlier version of a program? OK, so an eralier version had a problem which they corrected.
I took a read at a few of the emails and they refered to "code". At one point they said "fortran". Sounds about right since they are crunching numbers.
Looks like they were talking about algorithms to add columns; one guy forced something until he fixed it later on. He said he got the columns added up "brute force". So maybe there was some hard coding as they developed this program in fortran..again typical of programming. I did read another email where they talked about the program and how they gave it out but weren't sure which level of code the others were running. That IMHO was bad - poor source control..create a committed level and give everyone that.

Did read alot of the emails though but I didn't see any pure "code" there..just talk of it in the emails.

Comments in code are meant for other programmers. Sometimes they are serious and explain what the code below it is doing..other times it's quirky and downright funny.
OpenSource is the best though...I've seen this "OMFG..what on God's green earth did this person think they were doing?". LMAO with that one.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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It is very convenient for them to say "hacker", "stolen", "thief", when trying to deflect from the real issues and convince MSM outlets to NOT touch the story. They wouldn't want to print "stolen" info, right?
Either CRU authorized the publication, or it was stolen. Obviously it was stolen, and most likely the theft was organized by the opponents.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Commenting is usually reserved for things like config files and such. In other words, it's not so much intended for other programmers as it is for end users. Not always, but in my experience this is generally true.
Obviously, this was an on-going text file where "harry", the poor SOB, was trying to make heads and tails of the friggin mess in their databases. It really is amazing some of the verbiage in the file.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Commenting is usually reserved for things like config files and such. In other words, it's not so much intended for other programmers as it is for end users. Not always, but in my experience this is generally true.
Comments in Fortran, RPG, PL/II, Cobol etc languages are not seen by end users at all.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Either CRU authorized the publication, or it was stolen. Obviously it was stolen, and most likely the theft was organized by the opponents.
And how was it stolen? The zip file FOI2009 was clearly a collection of documents and data being prepared for a FOI request. Maybe, when the cabal denied the request, the whistle blower released the file.

Do you really want scientists, the "elites" of the GW community, to be bahaving in such a manner?

Have you read some of this stuff?

Do you agree that their behavior violates everything to do with good science?

Do you agree that the text below is what true science is all about?

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The scientific model works like this:

1. A scientist makes claims, and reveals the data and methods he used to come to his conclusions.

2. Other scientists who don’t agree attack the claim by (inter alia) seeing if they can replicate the result, using the first scientist’s data and methods.

3. If the claims cannot be replicated, the claim is adjudged to be false.
Here's just a FEW snippets of the Harry_txt file; and also other, very interesting files.

Climategate: hide the decline – codified « Watts Up With That?
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Comments in Fortran, RPG, PL/II, Cobol etc languages are not seen by end users at all.
It is a text file, on going, as the poor SOB Harry, tries to decipher, correct and piece together what has been done before him. He includes comments of exactly what he is doing, sometimes showing the raw data of certain files, sometimes showing code and the corrections he has made in the code and the DATA, a lot of the time beating his head against the wall.

If this is the state of their databases, it is no wonder they don't want to give out their data.

Why don't you read some of it?

Afraid?

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Old 11-25-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I took a read at a few of the emails and they refered to "code". At one point they said "fortran". Sounds about right since they are crunching numbers.
Looks like they were talking about algorithms to add columns; one guy forced something until he fixed it later on. He said he got the columns added up "brute force". So maybe there was some hard coding as they developed this program in fortran..again typical of programming. I did read another email where they talked about the program and how they gave it out but weren't sure which level of code the others were running. That IMHO was bad - poor source control..create a committed level and give everyone that.

Did read alot of the emails though but I didn't see any pure "code" there..just talk of it in the emails.

Comments in code are meant for other programmers. Sometimes they are serious and explain what the code below it is doing..other times it's quirky and downright funny.
OpenSource is the best though...I've seen this "OMFG..what on God's green earth did this person think they were doing?". LMAO with that one.
Comments can be meaningful, or meaningless. We don't know where this program originated from, e.g. was it originally designed for something else, and then modified for this purpose. How old is it? How many versions of it have been made? When was the comment added? Why was it added? Was there hard-coding originally, which was later removed? Were they expanding arrays? Were they adding files? Were they adding functionality? Were they fixing a known bug? Were the removing code? It could be anything, and for someone at FOX news who has never even seen a computer programs to claim that is proof of something they want it to be proof of is ridiculous. Just plain ridiculous.

To me it looks like something was originally hard-coded and it was later removed and replaced by a data driven approach. That's the way software is usually improved.
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