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Old 12-02-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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So I am sitting here listening to this and wondering if these "scientists" are going to go to jail for lying to congress.

Holder is just flat out lying his butt off!
The perjures of science.

New book title?
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Old 12-02-2009, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Sad when so much information points to the biggest hoax of the century in an attempt to further control the masses and the "flat earth" people still think it is real.
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Old 12-02-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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The perjures of science.

New book title?

LOL! between Holder and Rep. Jay (Democrat) Inslee this is nuts.


You have 2 Pro-AGW "scientists" and this nut Inslee talking about facists.

This is just crazy.

Now Inslee is talking about Ocean Acidification.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:02 AM
 
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Wapasha, I agree, but we are talking about 2 different things. Phil Jones at CRU did the data dump and we cannot get that back...

but the work of Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt (sp) is different. Mann is Mr. Hockey stick and Schmidt works for NOAA (if I am not mistaken)

Their work and orriginal data has not (that we know of) been deleted.

We now have access to the hard data that Mann and Schmidt have used to create their parts of the puzzel.

Mann's recent work in particular has some very interesting stuff in it, that likely will prove that he inverted data to generate the kind of warmings they need. That inverted data can now be proven and thus disprove all of Mann's work.

Smile! It is a good day!
Okay, so we have deleted data which makes any paper that references it useless, and we have manufactured/fraudulent data which makes any paper that references that useless as well. That means there is a lot of useless paper out there on the AGW side of the argument.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:10 AM
 
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Okay, so we have deleted data which makes any paper that references it useless, and we have manufactured/fraudulent data which makes any paper that references that useless as well. That means there is a lot of useless paper out there on the AGW side of the argument.
LOL! well said...


But we also have hard data used by AGW folks that says the opposite of what the AGW folks say it says...


LOL!
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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How do you gleeful detractors explain why the glaciers are retreating faster than ever and the sea levels are still rising? That is the observation that needs explanation not the antics of a few men playing with computer models with less reliability than Defense Contractors cost estimates.

I have my personal observations based on living in the Northeast US for the last 60+ years that the 1950’s were a lot colder than the early 2000’s.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:11 AM
 
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Chairman Macky is an idiot. a complete idiot. a moron of epic proportion.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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How do you gleeful detractors explain why the glaciers are retreating faster than ever and the sea levels are still rising? That is the observation that needs explanation not the antics of a few men playing with computer models with less reliability than Defense Contractors cost estimates.

I have my personal observations based on living in the Northeast US for the last 60+ years that the 1950’s were a lot colder than the early 2000’s.
First of all, no one has proven that sea levels have risen at a rate above the rate related to simple heating (which causes expansion.)

Secondly since 1850, the earth has been in a warming trend. That trend began before the industrial revolution had produced enough CO2 to correlate to AGW.

The retreat of the glaciers is directly tied to the warming that is occurring.


NO ONE is denying that the earth has warmed.

However, there is NO PROOF that the current warming is materially different from previous warming’s that occurred in the distant past.

In fact, retreating glaciers in the Alps have uncovered medieval silver mine that was operable in the 14th century. If the glaciers were not there then, why is it a concern if these same glaciers retreat now?

Your questions prove, you don’t understand the nature of the argument against man-made Global Warming.

As for modeling, the modelers are all on the AGW side and they have been proven wrong every single time.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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How do you gleeful detractors explain why the glaciers are retreating faster than ever and the sea levels are still rising? That is the observation that needs explanation not the antics of a few men playing with computer models with less reliability than Defense Contractors cost estimates.
Why are they growing?
http://news.discovery.com/earth/hima...rs-shrink.html
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But in the rugged western corner of the plateau, the story is different, according to a new study. Among legendary peaks of Mt. Everest like K2 and Nanga Parbat, glaciers with a penthouse view of the world are growing, and have been for almost three decades.

"These are the biggest mid-latitude glaciers in the world," John Shroder of the University of Nebraska-Omaha said. "And all of them are either holding still, or advancing."
Do you think if you were bombarded by information like that for the last decade you might think the next ice age was near?

As far as the sea level rise this really one thing where these predictions don't add up because all the measurements I've looked at show a steady rise or fall over the last century, no increased rate or spikes that would indicate it's anything more than long term trend.

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/slt...?stnid=8518750


This one here shows a significant drop over a long period at arate much faster than it's going up in New York:



Same question here, why is it falling?
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:38 AM
 
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It makes you wonder what the "other sciences" have been fudging over the years to maintain their grants. Peer review needs to be dismantled. Theories must be held up or found invalid on their merits using reliable data. Not by bending the data to fit pre-conceived ideas. We are in a NEW dark age and we do not even realise it. We have done it to ourselves through the arrogance of accepting the idea that at this particular point in time we are just SO enlightened and smart that we cannot possibly be wrong. This arrogance is at the heart of the faults in scientific academia today. It is wrong not to entertain new theories based on reliable repeatable facts and data because it does not fit "the current mold". We will all pay for this arrogance in science. Ignorance is bliss, it takes courage and humility to be a true scientist...after all you COULD be totally wrong!
We must cut off funding of the sciences and eliminate peer review for the sciences to again advance. Until then we sit spinning our wheels.
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