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Old 12-05-2009, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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So what do "your people" say about the hacked code ?
Haven't had to see them (dont know if anyone else was doing anything with the story) . I'm in L.A. (still)

But it's already old news, so i doubt that there will be any interest as far as local coverage.

Most of the things that are "discussed" here, are not considered, newsworthy!!
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Haven't had to see them (dont know if anyone else was doing anything with the story) . I'm in L.A. (still)

But it's already old news, so i doubt that there will be any interest as far as local coverage.

Most of the things that are "discussed" here, are not considered, newsworthy!!
The age of the news is irrelevant. Contradictions of hypotheses do not have a statute of limitations. If your colleagues believed its of no interest simply because it's "old news", they are not really scientists regardless of what their title says.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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The age of the news is irrelevant. Contradictions of hypotheses do not have a statute of limitations. If your colleagues believed its of no interest simply because it's "old news", they are not really scientists regardless of what their title says.
My "co-workers" are in the media, and not the education field.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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There are thousands of sources for information, other then Al Gore, Foxnews or CRU (and other data and ways to look at it)
I have mine (my alumnis, MSU and the U of M climate group and AOSS department), and you seem to have yours.
Your sources are either ignorant, head in the sand biased, or simply devious. For them not knowing the details of this and them not even mentioning the CRU is telling.

My sources are not the "news" as the news media is for idiot sheep.

My sources are analysis and commentary that concerns the science directly, more specifically the research in question and how the code obtained combined with the e-mails shows the issues the analyst were having with replication of the studies by those involved with the CRU.

My sources are such as:

http://www.climateaudit.org/

Watts Up With That?

And many others of climate scientist who discuss the research on their blogs.

The reason I use them is that they do not take the stance of appealing to authority expecting the reader to bow down to their wisdom. They discuss the science itself, the data, the results of the data, the publication and review process. They discuss that which is relevant to the field of study and that which is key to this current CRU find.

The media is blowing this off in some realms because they are part of the problem. Just like these scientists, they have broken their vow to be objective and report the facts. They are a political machine, just as these scientist who were caught are.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Deniers are really stupid. Or really dedicated to their cause - so dedicated that they'll lie willingly.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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Deniers are really stupid. Or really dedicated to their cause - so dedicated that they'll lie willingly.

So, you take the word of one of those implicated in this over the evidence presented and you call us stupid? /pats you on the head.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Deniers are really stupid. Or really dedicated to their cause - so dedicated that they'll lie willingly.
Jones stepped down. Gore cancelled.
They finally came out and said they destroyed the original data.

And you still say the "deniers" lie ?

ROFL..if those CRU scientists really could back up their hypothesis they would and would present the data and how they came to their conclusions.
That is how science works...and if the data proves your hypothesis wrong, then you rework your hypothesis and start all over again.
It seems that these guys just changed the data to fall in line with their hypothesis. If that is not the case, then they should be all over the public defending their process.

BUT THEY ARE NOT, are they ?
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Deniers are really stupid. Or really dedicated to their cause - so dedicated that they'll lie willingly.
Yeah, that's why the CRU head has stepped down, the CRU is launching an investigation, the MET Office is launching an investigation, the UN/IPCC is launching an investigation, scientist the world over are condemning the behavior of this cabal..........reports of the data and code in chaos.....but still...you believe.

I have no idea how some can be so gullible.

Hello?? Anybody home?? Trenberth is part of the cabal!

Nothing he says has an ounce of credibility.

The new deniers - their world is crumbling.
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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So, you take the word of one of those implicated in this over the evidence presented and you call us stupid? /pats you on the head.
Yes. I take their word over a pack of lying wingnuts who have been wrong about almost everything they've said for the last 20 years.
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes. I take their word over a pack of lying wingnuts who have been wrong about almost everything they've said for the last 20 years.
"lying wingnuts" ?

The truth is out there and you still do not see.

Why would Jones step down if those emails are "made up" ?
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