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Old 11-20-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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Where are the millions of Mulsim-Americans going to be while this circus is taking place?
Strangely and suspiciously silent in the shadows of cities across the nation...that's where!

If they're such a god loving religeon, they should be the first in line to tear the terrorists to bits.
But alas they sit...quiet....waiting....watching us.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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Wake me up when an experienced defense attorney or prosecutor shows up and can actually talk about what it takes to gain a mistrial based upon public statements by elected officials.

By the way, has anyone ever heard of a prosecuting attorney or DA's office that didn't state that they would win a conviction?
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Wake me up when an experienced defense attorney or prosecutor shows up and can actually talk about what it takes to gain a mistrial based upon public statements by elected officials.

By the way, has anyone ever heard of a prosecuting attorney or DA's office that didn't state that they would win a conviction?
Obama or Holder are the prosecuting attorneys for this case ?
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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Wake me up when an experienced defense attorney or prosecutor shows up and can actually talk about what it takes to gain a mistrial based upon public statements by elected officials.

By the way, has anyone ever heard of a prosecuting attorney or DA's office that didn't state that they would win a conviction?
This goes beyond statements of confidence by a DA or prosecuting attorney. These are statements of predetermined outcome by the President and the Attorney General. Guilty or not, KSM will be held. Period.

So, again, what does this trial accomplish?
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:40 PM
 
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This goes beyond statements of confidence by a DA or prosecuting attorney. These are statements of predetermined outcome by the President and the Attorney General. Guilty or not, KSM will be held. Period.

So, again, what does this trial accomplish?
Posted this in one of the other threads on this exact same topic.

One possible reason may be that there have been families of the 9/11 victims who have been calling for a trial. Who want the opportunity to testify for the record what they have lost, what happened to them and their loved ones on that dreadful day. And during the penalty phase of a trial, they get this opportunity.

A second possible reason is that Obama is trying to restore America to a status and reputation it enjoyed prior to the Bush administration. One aspect of that reputation was an open and transparent judicial system that had a well-deserved credibility around the world. I'm not trying to bash Bush here, I think he was privy to information the general public doesn't have access to, and that he loves this country and every decision he made was in his opinion to protect and serve the United States. But we do know that some of his actions resulted in a worldwide opinion of our country that was marked by distrust. A public trial, where the legal process is exposed, would hopefully restore some degree of trust, and that would help our diplomatic relations tremendously.

A third possible reason is that as time goes on, memories fade, and this country's enemies keep spreading propaganda that paints Americans as the bad guys. We have made mistakes in foreign relations, as has every country on this planet. But it doesn't hurt to remind the world that the terrorists weren't the victims on 9/11, that innocent people from all over the world, from every religion, innocent people going to work, having business meetings, grabbing a cup of coffee, innocent people were the victims.

Right-leaning posters keep harping on the fact that this is a unique situation, we've never tried an enemy combatant who was captured on foreign soil in a civilian court before. One of the things they should remember, is that the rule of law is designed to deal with unique situations. That's why there are so many precedents. Every single precedent is the result of a unique situation coming before the law.

Law deals with unique siutations logically. For instance, we've tried people who were enemy combatants or terrorists successfully before. So any questions that arise from that issue will be addressed by precedent. Directly when a precedent applies directly, and indirectly, when the judge evaluates the logic and philosophy supporting the precedent. We've extradited people from foreign soil before, that's nothing new. We've transferred people from different authorities, and we do not hold every authority to the same standard, ie, the Miranda standard. When bounty hunters apprehend someone, they do not have to meet this standard, and the police accept the transfer of such suspects as well as evidence and information the bounty hunters provide. And we have precedent for that in the courts for the exact same challenges that people are suggesting KSM will challenge his military detention. The military has established in courts that it does not have to meet the Miranda standard when taking people and holding them into custody. The federal judge in NYC isn't going to throw away all these precedents to make new law that favors the interests of foreign terrorists.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Dont you people get sick of not answering the topic at hand?

Is this really all you got is to go back to Bush again.
It's all they have. Be easy on them. It's not nice to mess with the mentally challenged. That's why Obama said "No one messes with Joe."
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:42 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Where are the millions of Mulsim-Americans going to be while this circus is taking place?
Strangely and suspiciously silent in the shadows of cities across the nation...that's where!

If they're such a god loving religeon, they should be the first in line to tear the terrorists to bits.
But alas they sit...quiet....waiting....watching us.
They're also silent when you have idiots like the Ft Hood animal doing their stuff in the name if Islam. It would seem if this is such a "peaceful" religion, why aren't the peaceful people speaking up as to the way their religion is being depicted by radicals? Why aren't they standing up? One wonders.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:45 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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TOS prohibit deliberately misleading posts, based on the title alone this thread should be deleted. Typical NeoConfused whining with no basis in fact.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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lmao at a 'non biased jury"! as if a Military tribunal is "non biased"!
Military tribunal does not have to be
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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all this paranoia is getting annoying.
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