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Old 11-22-2009, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I think the wealthy should pay for everything. I think we should confiscate Bill Gate's and Warren Buffett's wealth and the wealth of anyone with a net worth of over a billion dollars. They obviously stole it anyway!
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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The US wants war because of the healthcare bill currently in Congress ???

How in heck did you MAKE those dots connect ?
I'm reFfering to billboards inciting a revolution or civil war posted by some and mentioned by some on these boards
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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What thinkest you? Should national defense be funded only by certain segments of the population?[/quote]

Sure. But only if parks, libraries and the like will ony be enjoyed by those paid to protect them.

No more freebies.
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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"There is no way to win a nuclear war, so one must never be fought.".
Oh yeah? Tell that to Japan.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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Wow..it's so good to hear that "the rich" will be taxed to solve all our debt problems and fund all our social welfare problems. What happens when they are taxed so much that they are not rich anymore ?
Then maybe, if the taxes are spent correctly, our nation won't be in debt, and they'll still have houses bigger than the rest of us and more toys, just tiny stock portfolios.

The rich have been getting tax cuts left and right since Reagan, their salaries have gone up but wages at the bottom have been stagnant or declining because the wealthy drive up costs on everything. They've been getting great deals for 30 years while the rest of us have been paying for it. I think its time they pull their weight.

Here's a nice little thought. I read on Forbes website, the 400 richest Americans each have at least 900 million dollars. Collectively they're worth 1.57 trillion, thats only the 400 richest and they hold enough wealth that if they wanted to, they could pay off 1/6 of our debt.

Bush's tax cuts, done almost 10 years ago were for over a trillion. That didn't create many American jobs, did it?

Just imagine, all the tax cuts the wealthy have received since Reagan. Imagine if instead those had simply paid for our debt instead.

The wealthy whine like infants that they work so hard and suffer so much and they already pay so much in taxes. Well, they've been benefiting while all of our manufacturing went overseas, while all our bridges and roads crumble, and while we pay $4 dollar/gallon for gas.

I saw another thread talking about when there should be armed revolution. Imagine if all of those at the bottom realize who is benefiting while our country goes down the toilet and then then decide to revolt. I think the rich should be happy they would still have more than the rest of us and shut up and contribute more.

Again I'll repeat, they're benefitting and not sacrificing, its time they have to pay.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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The best solution is to only tax Republicans for the wars that their moron leader got our nation into. Let the Republicans pay for it while the rest of America takes care of our nation. Republicans should never be allowed Medicare since they think it is "socialist." DUH!
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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Then maybe, if the taxes are spent correctly, our nation won't be in debt, and they'll still have houses bigger than the rest of us and more toys, just tiny stock portfolios.
We're a debtor nation. Every dollar you have is a debt. Our country will never be out of debt and if we ever were that would mean we were broke.


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The rich have been getting tax cuts left and right since Reagan, their salaries have gone up but wages at the bottom have been stagnant or declining because the wealthy drive up costs on everything. They've been getting great deals for 30 years while the rest of us have been paying for it. I think its time they pull their weight.
Maybe you should look and see who's tax rate is negative.

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Here's a nice little thought. I read on Forbes website, the 400 richest Americans each have at least 900 million dollars. Collectively they're worth 1.57 trillion, thats only the 400 richest and they hold enough wealth that if they wanted to, they could pay off 1/6 of our debt.
See the first response.

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Bush's tax cuts, done almost 10 years ago were for over a trillion. That didn't create many American jobs, did it?
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/LNS14000000_46051_1258925906928.gif (broken link)

Why, yes, yes it did.


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Just imagine, all the tax cuts the wealthy have received since Reagan. Imagine if instead those had simply paid for our debt instead.
I'd rather imagine that you seem to understand what debt is and how money works. Here is another link to help you help yourself.

MODERN MONEY MECHANICS - A Workbook On Bank Reserves And Deposit Expansion By Federal Reserve Bank Of Chicago | Love for Life


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The wealthy whine like infants that they work so hard and suffer so much and they already pay so much in taxes. Well, they've been benefiting while all of our manufacturing went overseas, while all our bridges and roads crumble, and while we pay $4 dollar/gallon for gas.
I doubt they're whining as much as you are.


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I saw another thread talking about when there should be armed revolution. Imagine if all of those at the bottom realize who is benefiting while our country goes down the toilet and then then decide to revolt. I think the rich should be happy they would still have more than the rest of us and shut up and contribute more.
This would be an armed revolution that democrats wish for, at least until it happened or the people were enlightened as to how rich they are.

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Again I'll repeat, they're benefiting and not sacrificing, its time they have to pay.
You apparently don't know why they are so rich either. Most of their "riches" are in capital.

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4 : of or relating to capital; especially : relating to or being assets that add to the long-term net worth of a corporation <capital improvements>
capital - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

That corporation employs people. You don't want even more jobless do you?
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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Oh yeah? Tell that to Japan.
That wasn't a nuclear war. If you're the only one with a nuclear bomb or bombs then yes, you win. It's not like that anymore though and mutually assured destruction is no longer the threat or did you miss that part of the thread.

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Old 11-22-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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Is that not what takes place? You think we only defend the wealthy, the poor dont get any protection? Another rediculous posting because many in the WTC were indeed "wealthy", what protection were they afforded to?

I am not saying that. I'm saying that IF we taxed only the wealthy, it would be akin to saying we just defend the wealthy and we don't. Defense is for all anytime we are defending the country. Therefore all should be taxed. But war should not be fought for aggression only defense, which hasn't occurred in the US in the last century or this. WW1, 2, Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq have all been fought as an offense, not defense. Defense in rhetoric, not actuality.

You misunderstood my post but that's ok. Is it that hard to understand? Help! Anyone know what I'm saying?
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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I am not saying that. I'm saying that IF we taxed only the wealthy, it would be akin to saying we just defend the wealthy and we don't. Defense is for all anytime we are defending the country. Therefore all should be taxed. But war should not be fought for aggression only defense, which hasn't occurred in the US in the last century or this. WW1, 2, Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq have all been fought as an offense, not defense. Defense in rhetoric, not actuality.

You misunderstood my post but that's ok. Is it that hard to understand? Help! Anyone know what I'm saying?
Only if you didn't understand the actual threat would you think those wars were an offensive move.
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