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Old 11-21-2009, 08:43 PM
 
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I've always wanted to know why a lot of homeless won't go into available shelters. Does anyone know?
Yes, because they won't allow drugs or alcohol. When I volunteered we would not accept anyone under the influence out of safety concerns for the other people.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I've always wanted to know why a lot of homeless won't go into available shelters. Does anyone know?
No shopping carts or pets is one of the big reasons.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:44 PM
 
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So you guys believe in evolution when its convenient and creationism when its not?
So let me guess? You are "prolife" but have no problem disregarding these people as animals?
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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it may be a shock to you BUT, there are many homeless who are mentally ill and live on the street out of choice. I've worked at centers where we would wash them up and give them a secure place to sleep and they would leave and sleep in the fire towers. I don't know how you would force them back into society short of incarcerating them
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: DFW
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it may be a shock to you BUT, there are many homeless who are mentally ill and live on the street out of choice. I've worked at centers where we would wash them up and give them a secure place to sleep and they would leave and sleep in the fire towers. I don't know how you would force them back into society short of incarcerating them
The Dems could make it mandatory under our new health care plan and if they don't obey then the IRS could come down hard to enforce ?
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:50 PM
 
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it may be a shock to you BUT, there are many homeless who are mentally ill and live on the street out of choice. I've worked at centers where we would wash them up and give them a secure place to sleep and they would leave and sleep in the fire towers. I don't know how you would force them back into society short of incarcerating them

You're so right. I actually met a young homeless man and treated him to lunch. He could barely eat. His stomach had shrunk so much he could only ingest a few mouthfuls. He told me he did not want to go in the homeless shelter even though he did not have a shopping cart, pets, or was on drugs/acohol. He wanted to be free to roam and adopted a very independent nomadic philosophy. He didn't want to abide by any rules and be told what to do. He took a shower once a week at the Salvation Army and had some lunch there too, but he ate just a donut a day.

He grew up in foster homes and gave up on trusting "the system" and felt it betrayed him. He viewed all of society as the ultimate betrayal. But this is just one case so I don't know about how the others feel.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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So let me guess? You are "prolife" but have no problem disregarding these people as animals?
I donate to food banks, have volunteered at shelters in NM and CA, helped build a shelter in Juarez, and generally act a lot more Democratic than most Democrats. When was the last time you lifted a finger? I bet have given away more to charity than you have earned in your young life.

I am pro-life, but also believe in personal responsibility. The 800 pound guy who died in his chair didn't have to die - his wife could have picked up the phone.

By the way, guess who sued the government in the 1970's to ensure that the mentally ill, drug addicts and drunks could not be locked up or treated without their consent? It wasn't the Republicans.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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it may be a shock to you BUT, there are many homeless who are mentally ill and live on the street out of choice. I've worked at centers where we would wash them up and give them a secure place to sleep and they would leave and sleep in the fire towers. I don't know how you would force them back into society short of incarcerating them
I agree with you. Many of the homeless are without shelter by choice. I worked for a short time in a center that dealt with dual diagnosis patients (mental illness combined with substance abuse). Many chose to live on the streets. One told me that she was "free on the streets".
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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No one should be cold, dirty, and hungry. Unless they are die hard masochists.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:55 PM
 
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You're so right. I actually met a young homeless man and treated him to lunch. He could barely eat. His stomach had shrunk so much he could only ingest a few mouthfuls. He told me he did not want to go in the homeless shelter even though he did not have a shopping cart, pets, or was on drugs/acohol. He wanted to be free to roam and adopted a very independent nomadic philosophy. He didn't want to abide by any rules and be told what to do. He took a shower once a week at the Salvation Army and had some lunch there too, but he ate just a donut a day.

He grew up in foster homes and gave up on trusting "the system" and felt it betrayed him. He viewed all of society as the ultimate betrayal. But this is just one case so I don't know about how the others feel.
oh, that's sad, many souls broken or damaged that are homeless.

we all know that there is a better way that society could be done and homelessness doesn't have to be a problem and neither does abuse of the system along with it but people don't want to because they will say that's curbing their freedom or socialism etc etc and get very upset at the idea. people are used to greed and helping inefficiently (throwing money here and there inefficiently without fixing the system itself or changing it) and then saying they are all plain out and spent. that's pretty dishonest and wasteful as well. it's like 'please let me get rich' and then i'll throw you crumbs philosophy pretending they are the longsuffering one and have a right to be exasperated. lol
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