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Old 11-24-2009, 06:50 PM
 
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The other posters are correct, you're using the term 'hate' to define a disagreement.

You say it's not a statistical matter, but yet you say that 'so many' C.C.'s hate gays etc. By saying 'many', you are talking about the majority. Your point of reference being the C/D forum (as you mention).

Nobody 'goes to hell' in my mind as you put it. I think the bigger issue at hand is you have a level of disdain for C.C.'s and you're having an extremely hard time extricating it.
C/D is far from my only reference. And no hard time at all. I find people who are intolerant, hateful, hypocritical etc to be impossible to deal with.

Like I said before intolerance does not deserve tolerance it just allows it to continue. Its like just letting people make racist jokes around you and not saying something. Allowing something to continue is just as bad as doing it yourself.
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Old 11-24-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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If you loved the person you would not punsih them with eternal damnation to hell

Ps I don't believe in hell either but thats your punishment for it so...
The thing is, they believe that damnation to hell is the only punishment there is. The Christians are not the ones doing the punishing, they believe that God will punish Gay people. But they also believe that God will punish anyone that has sin in their life. Anyone that hasn't repented for their sins.
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Old 11-24-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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So banishing someone to hell, eternal damnation for being born a certain way is not hate????????? Your comparrison also assumes that homosexuality is a choice which it is not.

How many time do I need to ask the same question before someone can actually answer me as opposed to just repeating themselves?
It seems you have the idea that Christians themselves are banishing people to hell.

No one can answer your questions b/c (as it's been explained) your questions
don't make sense and are invalid. This is not a victory on your part, rather, your failure to clarify the differences between your views versus actual facts.

example:

I'm driving a blue car. Someone comes up to me asks me "do you like that red car of yours?"

How can you answer the question when it's based on an invalid assumption?
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Old 11-24-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Correct a small minority supports gay rights. I do apologize for not clarifying that.

However, being those 3 religions make up 8.8% of all protestants, which make up 72% of religious people in our country you are talking about a very small sector .
I don't know where you get your stats, but I am not going to argue with you right now, I gave those 3 religions as examples. As for gay rights, I believe many Christians support gay rights There are some who may not believe in all gay rights, but do believe in equal treatment.

Nita
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Over There
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So banishing someone to hell, eternal damnation for being born a certain way is not hate?????????
No it is not hate. It is what they believe happens when someone breaks the laws of God. That is not hate it is paying a consequence for your actions in their eyes. That is not hate.

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Your comparrison also assumes that homosexuality is a choice which it is not.
The issue is not choice the issue is the act whether it is by choice or not it is the act that is considered wrong.


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How many time do I need to ask the same question before someone can actually answer me as opposed to just repeating themselves?
No repeating here.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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The issue is not choice the issue is the act whether it is by choice or not it is the act that is considered wrong.
So it's considered wrong even if it's not a choice? That doesn't seem fair.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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So it's considered wrong even if it's not a choice? That doesn't seem fair.
They christian belief is that all are born in to sin, it is whether the person acts on those temptations.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:24 PM
 
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The straw man argument can be used in arguments in most areas of life, from political, to business, to religious, to personal life. It is also often used in conjunction with other logical fallacies, such as red herring, slippery slope, and ad hominem. One example of a straw man argument can be seen in the following hypothetical situation between a child and his parent:

Child: "Can we get a dog?"
Parent: "No."
Child: "It would protect us."
Parent: "Still, no."
Child: "Why do you want to leave us and our house unprotected?"

The child in the above scenario may be making a straw man argument if the parent's reason for not getting a dog has nothing to do with protection but with other factors. Moreover, not getting a dog is not necessarily proof that the parent doesn't want to protect the family and home as there are other means of protection.
What is a Straw Man Argument?
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Over There
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So it's considered wrong even if it's not a choice? That doesn't seem fair.

Well I could give you the "Life's not Fair" but that would not really be addressing your issue.

Most Christians do not believe that people are born gay so to them it is a choice.
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:34 PM
 
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The thing is, they believe that damnation to hell is the only punishment there is. The Christians are not the ones doing the punishing, they believe that God will punish Gay people. But they also believe that God will punish anyone that has sin in their life. Anyone that hasn't repented for their sins.
So you are suggesting that these people have no ability or chose not to think for themselves and instead just accept the churches interpretation of what jesus would do? Sound an awful lot like a cult when you put it that way.
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