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This will be a short lived thread. It's amazing how the Christian critics seem to disappear like Jesus's disciples at the trial of their savior when it comes to defending their bible.
Yeah I always get a kick out of those who dont want morality legislated by bible thumpers but try to use it to promote socialism!
I am not a religous person, but there is nothing in that verse that states we should give our money to the goverment so they can distribute it as they see fit to help people. I would strongly argue "charity" is the key word they were shooting for. Churches, whether you like them or not, are undeniably charitable. Most donate through those churches to help provide for the less fortunate. I would assume that a church-goer would have more say in holding the church accountable for properly administering their charitable actions than a US citizen has in holding our government accountable in their "charitable" actions.
Your churches' charity are not doing a good job because almost 50 million people are without health insurance, many are going hungry, and where is your help for the 10-15% unemployed?
You and your church need to get going! Otherwise, do not criticize the government for providing real help!
Well said. I'm not particularly religous either, but I don't see a contradiction. Being against universal helathcare does not mean you don't want to look out for the poor. For most, they just don't like that method. I don't know of any part of The Bible that says we must give to government for them to give to the poor.
Your churches' charity are not doing a good job because almost 50 million people are without health insurance, many are going hungry, and where is your help for the 10-15% unemployed?
You and your church need to get going! Otherwise, do not criticize the government for providing real help!
50 million ? are you sure about that number? if so of that 50 million do you know how many might be driving brand new cars watching flat screen tvs in their new houses. the government needs to get out of the way and stop taking so much of peoples money, so they can give more to church and charity.
50 million ? are you sure about that number? if so of that 50 million do you know how many might be driving brand new cars watching flat screen tvs in their new houses. the government needs to get out of the way and stop taking so much of peoples money, so they can give more to church and charity.
That is the correct number, as near as anyone can tell. About 25% are non-citizens, not all illegal aliens as some think. Of the rest, 57% are "involuntarily uninsured" based on income. Who knows how many are VU b/c their employer does not offer insurance?
How do you respond to Deuteronomy 17 verses 7,8 & 11??
If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother,
but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be
^ I'd guess basic health care would be a 'need' For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.'
^ So much for the "let them get an education and get out of poverty" argument. God says there will ALWAYS be poor people and that His people (whether Jews or Christians) must provide for them
It's a total contradiction for a Christian to be against universal health care and why many Americans can't figure out what motives some Christians [esp the Republican variety].
You know, in thinking this over, I can understand how someone might have a different opinion on paying for health care than me, but I can't for the life of me figure out why some so-called Christians are so mean sprited towards their fellow human beings, e.g. calling people bums, losers, etc. I also do not understand being so unwilling to share, even a little! I am a Christian, and this isn't my idea of how Christians are supposed to feel towards others.
You know, in thinking this over, I can understand how someone might have a different opinion on paying for health care than me, but I can't for the life of me figure out why some so-called Christians are so mean sprited towards their fellow human beings, e.g. calling people bums, losers, etc. I also do not understand being so unwilling to share, even a little! I am a Christian, and this isn't my idea of how Christians are supposed to feel towards others.
How about maybe I don't care to pay for everyone else's health care through a taxation system and instead would love to re-direct more of my income toward the Third World, where it is more desperately needed?
Would love to send a little more money toward the clinic in an African village, where even basic medicines are in short supply (malarial treatments, aspirin, even bandages, for God's sake!.......)
This is increasingly difficult with an administration that seems to want more and more of my income.....................(how un-Christian of me)...
How do you respond to Deuteronomy 17 verses 7,8 & 11??
If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother,
but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be
^ I'd guess basic health care would be a 'need' For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.'
^ So much for the "let them get an education and get out of poverty" argument. God says there will ALWAYS be poor people and that His people (whether Jews or Christians) must provide for them
I give to my church which has many outreaches that help the poor, etc.. That is what Christians do. The Bible does not say to give money to the government to do what Jesus expects the church to do.
This will be a short lived thread. It's amazing how the Christian critics seem to disappear like Jesus's disciples at the trial of their savior when it comes to defending their bible.
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