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Old 12-18-2009, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Originally Posted by ReluctantGardenStater View Post
You seem very ignorant on the South.

I've spoken to people fairly openly about my views on the War of Northern Aggression and the Confederate flag, and I have yet to be "beaten up" - And I live in New Jersey.

I don't think this kid will have any problems in the heart of Dixie. The cities of the South are more liberal than Southern rural areas, yes, because urban always equates to less conservative than rural, but they are nothing like NYC, Boston, or San Francisco.
I don't agree with you. If you walk into a bar in most areas of New Jersey & wave a confederate flag it would be only a matter of time before someone would approach you & try to take your flag. It would start a fight & you might have to flee or call the police.

If desert kid stays in the country he will likely be ok but not in the cities, in my opinion.

 
Old 12-18-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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Apparently you haven't been reading my posts. I fully understand that the sentiments of the secessionists, slave holders, and rebels is still alive and kicking in the South. That's why I continue to battle it every time one of you apologists posts some nonsensical revisionist history.
I read what I can. I have work and do other things during the day, so sometimes I'm not in the mood to scan through ten pages of one individual thread if it has grown so exponentially by the evening, and I'm generally a big reader.

No more than the culture of materialism, dirty factories, rudeness/impolite culture, lack of concern for the welfare of a neighbor, and general greed promoted by the Northern industrialists and robber barons is still alive and kicking in the putrid Northeast.

Again, there was no "culture" of slave holders. A tiny minority owned slaves.

I'm an apologist? I'm a man with an opinion

The liberal states can keep pushing the real America to go down their path of socialism. Then they'll see what Dixie can do.
 
Old 12-18-2009, 07:46 PM
 
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I don't agree with you. If you walk into a bar in most areas of New Jersey & wave a confederate flag it would be only a matter of time before someone would approach you & try to take your flag. It would start a fight & you might have to flee or call the police.

If desert kid stays in the country he will likely be ok but not in the cities, in my opinion.
It depends where this bar is. In Newark, you're probably right. Kid, I've lived here all my life so don't think you know the lay of the land better than I do. There are liberals here and there are conservatives, blacks and whites, atheists and Christians. Different groups will obviously react differently.

I've been to quite a few Southern cities and the vibe is never super anti-tradition or pro-liberalism as it is in the Northeastern and West coast cities. Even in fairly moderate-liberal Florida.
 
Old 12-18-2009, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That's why I continue to battle it every time one of you apologists posts some nonsensical revisionist history.
What, exactly, has been revised?
Each side of this coin thinks the others' is revised.
Dad always told me are 3 sides to every story - your side, my side, and the truth.
You try to correct me, I try to correct you.
Maybe the real truth is somewhere in between.

Ride easy, Angus
 
Old 12-18-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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I read what I can. I have work and do other things during the day, so sometimes I'm not in the mood to scan through ten pages of one individual thread if it has grown so exponentially by the evening, and I'm generally a big reader.

No more than the culture of materialism, dirty factories, rudeness/impolite culture, lack of concern for the welfare of a neighbor, and general greed promoted by the Northern industrialists and robber barons is still alive and kicking in the putrid Northeast.

Again, there was no "culture" of slave holders. A tiny minority owned slaves.

I'm an apologist? I'm a man with an opinion

The liberal states can keep pushing the real America to go down their path of socialism. Then they'll see what Dixie can do.

Of course you're an apologist. You believe that the South of Gone with the Wind actually existed. You deny the horror of slavery, the obscenity of the KKK and Jim Crow or you simply don't care about it.

Dixie can do nothing without the rest of the country propping it up.
 
Old 12-18-2009, 09:10 PM
 
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What, exactly, has been revised?
Each side of this coin thinks the others' is revised.
Dad always told me are 3 sides to every story - your side, my side, and the truth.
You try to correct me, I try to correct you.
Maybe the real truth is somewhere in between.

Ride easy, Angus
Revisionist history that calls the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression. The Revisionist history that blames Abraham Lincoln for the Civil War. The Revisionist history that denies slavery was the reason the south seceded and started the Civil War. Revisionist history that ignores Jim Crow laws that governed the South for 100 + years after the Civil war.

That revisionist history.

The South has one version of the history of the United States. The rest of the country - and the rest of the world - has the real history.
 
Old 12-18-2009, 09:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ReluctantGardenStater View Post
It depends where this bar is. In Newark, you're probably right. Kid, I've lived here all my life so don't think you know the lay of the land better than I do. There are liberals here and there are conservatives, blacks and whites, atheists and Christians. Different groups will obviously react differently.

I've been to quite a few Southern cities and the vibe is never super anti-tradition or pro-liberalism as it is in the Northeastern and West coast cities. Even in fairly moderate-liberal Florida.

No, it's solidly right wing, 'let's bring back the good old days where blacks (although they don't use the word 'blacks'), women, and other minorites knew their place' sort of vibe, if the posts from you folks are anything to go by.
 
Old 12-18-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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I don't agree with you. If you walk into a bar in most areas of New Jersey & wave a confederate flag it would be only a matter of time before someone would approach you & try to take your flag. It would start a fight & you might have to flee or call the police.

If desert kid stays in the country he will likely be ok but not in the cities, in my opinion.
Have you ever been to NJ?
 
Old 12-18-2009, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Revisionist history that calls the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression. The Revisionist history that blames Abraham Lincoln for the Civil War. The Revisionist history that denies slavery was the reason the south seceded and started the Civil War. Revisionist history that ignores Jim Crow laws that governed the South for 100 + years after the Civil war.

That revisionist history.

The South has one version of the history of the United States. The rest of the country - and the rest of the world - has the real history.
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No, it's solidly right wing, 'let's bring back the good old days where blacks (although they don't use the word 'blacks'), women, and other minorites knew their place' sort of vibe, if the posts from you folks are anything to go by.
So there's no room for compromise with you?
You're right, millions of others are wrong.
 
Old 12-18-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: DFW
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So there's no room for compromise with you?
You're right, millions of others are wrong.
That seems to be the case. At least he's right in his own mind, doesn't matter what millions of others might think.
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