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Old 11-27-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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Why do you need a flag for southern pride? Why not just have American pride? It in itself represents all parts of the country and all the history that has occurred under it
That's like saying why have a state flag when an American flag represents every state. Southerners are proud Americans, but they're proud Southerners too.

 
Old 11-27-2009, 11:34 AM
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Why do you need a flag for southern pride? Why not just have American pride? It in itself represents all parts of the country and all the history that has occurred under it
On the other hand -- and I know you are a reasonable and intelligent person, Billiam -- why should one exclude the other? We are a nation of individual and soveriegn states, and different regions, each with its own history and character.

The same argument you seem to be making could be used to cease flying state flags. I am proud to be a Texan, Southerner, AND American. Because I display the Lone Star Flag and Confederate Flag in no way diminishes my affection for Old Glory and all it stands for!
 
Old 11-27-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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That's like saying why have a state flag when an American flag represents every state. Southerners are proud Americans, but they're proud Southerners too.
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On the other hand -- and I know you are a reasonable and intelligent person, Billiam -- why should one exclude the other? We are a nation of individual and soveriegn states, and different regions, each with its own history and character.

The same argument you seem to be making could be used to cease flying state flags. I am proud to be a Texan, Southerner, AND American. Because I display the Lone Star Flag and Confederate Flag in no way diminishes my affection for Old Glory and all it stands for!
ok, you guys are right. Its just the Confederate States of America don't exist anymore. i just don't see a point of keeping a flag that represents a non-existent state. But, you guys are right, i wasn't thinking of all factors
 
Old 11-27-2009, 11:42 AM
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ok, you guys are right. Its just the Confederate States of America don't exist anymore. i just don't see a point of keeping a flag that represents a non-existent state. But, you guys are right, i wasn't thinking of all factors
I was going to say (earlier) that the Republic of Texas doesn't exist anymore, either. But I still have feelings for the original flag of the same.

As it is, you ammended your position...and I respect you for it. Thank you, sir! You got a rep coming for your courage in being willing to think it out from all angles.
 
Old 11-27-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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^ You're too kind haha
 
Old 11-27-2009, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I'm new here, but have been lurking for years now and finally decided to join. Anywho being a decendent of Robert E. Lee I always had a positive opinion of the south and Confederate flag. Now with alot of recent events (Ole Miss klan protest on the 21st) making the flag look as bad as it has in the past I just don't know what to think of it.

However seeing alot of hate towards both I just get stuck in mental ruts in what to think of it. And sometimes have trying periods that try to make sense of it all. Heck just a quick search on the web you can find the most vile and hateful things about the south and everything related.

I've never really been to the south before (unless you count East Texas) but I would really like to see it one day. But I have met countless people from there and I thought they were spectacular.
I will give my opinion of the Confederate flag, but first I want to speak of the KKK rally on the Ole Miss campus. It bothers me that the rest of the nation may see this as another "Oh, Mississippi is racist and backward" moment.

In actuality, 11 members of the KKK showed up to protest the removal of "From Dixie with Love" from the band set list. They were met by 300 student protesters, many of which were wearing t-shirts that read "Turn your back on hate".

The KKK recieved no support and the planned hour-long protest lasted 10 minutes. Why were they allowed on campus? University of Mississippi is a public institution, and like it or not, even the KKK has freedom of speech and the right to assemble peacefully.

As for the flag, I don't view it as a symbol of hate but I can see where others may. I wonder if Native Americans view the US flag as a symbol of hate or oppression?
 
Old 11-27-2009, 12:47 PM
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In actuality, 11 members of the KKK showed up to protest the removal of "From Dixie with Love" from the band set list. They were met by 300 student protesters, many of which were wearing t-shirts that read "Turn your back on hate".
This isn't related to the cone-heads or student protestors, but that "From Dixie with Love" has been removed from the Ol' Miss Band playlist is a new one to me! Can you provide more info on it? (I can DM you if you like). I can't imagine why ANYONE would think that blend of Dixie and the Battle Hymn of the Republic would be offensive to ANYBODY...

I mean, it combines a well-played and emotional rendition of the songs most associated with both South and North.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZhEHQYVUw
 
Old 11-27-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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This isn't related to the cone-heads or student protestors, but that "From Dixie with Love" has been removed from the Ol' Miss Band playlist is a new one to me! Can you provide more info on it? (I can DM you if you like). I can't imagine why ANYONE would think that blend of Dixie and the Battle Hymn of the Republic would be offensive to ANYBODY...

I mean, it combines a well-played and emotional rendition of the songs most associated with both South and North.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZhEHQYVUw
Ku Klux Klan plans rally at Ole Miss to stand for Rebel fight song» The Commercial Appeal
 
Old 11-27-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Southeast Arizona
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This isn't related to the cone-heads or student protestors, but that "From Dixie with Love" has been removed from the Ol' Miss Band playlist is a new one to me! Can you provide more info on it? (I can DM you if you like). I can't imagine why ANYONE would think that blend of Dixie and the Battle Hymn of the Republic would be offensive to ANYBODY...

I mean, it combines a well-played and emotional rendition of the songs most associated with both South and North.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZhEHQYVUw
It seems that the college officials don't want to offend who they percieve will be offended, which is kinda stupid because if it has been around for so long that means very few if any people were offended.

ugh, P.C. is so stupid.
 
Old 11-27-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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I think it has more to do with a few fans who were saying "The South will rise again" at the end of the song. That phrase is not part of the song and the University does not want to put forth the image that it advocates a return to segregation.

A quote from Chancellor Dan Jones. This is his first year at Ole Miss.

"Here at the University of Mississippi, there must be no doubt that this is a warm and welcoming place for all," Jones wrote in a letter to the Ole Miss community. "We cannot even appear to support those outside our community who advocate a revival of segregation. We cannot fail to respond."

Ole Miss has students from 67 foreign countries... all people are welcome and I think the chancellor is over-reacting a little.
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