Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
FactCheck.org: Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html - broken link)
I posted the full text of that article 3 times, and the pertinent conclusion once already in this thread. They don't care. They're wearing blinders so thick that they can't even feel it when someone's poking them directly in their eye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVID65
And in early 2001 Bush was warned about a probable attack on the WTC!
I debunked every single item on that list, showing why either OBL wasn't considered a suspect AT THE TIME, or that our investigations were thwarted by the local governments where those incidents occurred.
Again, they don't care. We know now that OBL was behind most, if not all of them, but they act like we had all the intelligence and evidence AT THAT TIME to actually get an indictment or conviction, had there even been any CREDIBLE offer to turn him over, or any CREDIBLE information as to where or how we could get to him.
What the hell, once more for grins and giggles:
Quote:
Originally Posted by factcheck.org
Ultimately, however, it doesn’t matter. What is not in dispute at all is the fact that, in early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. So even if the Sudanese government really did offer to hand bin Laden over, the U.S. would have had no grounds for detaining him. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.
We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It's a fancy term for those "why didn't someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996.
"In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal."
But like our current President, he was damned when he did, and now damned when he didn't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by chielgirl
And these were all attributed to OBL?
I don't think so.
The WTC person was arrested, jailed, tried, sentenced.
As it should be.
And that's not all we did. ALSO already posted in this thread, during President Clinton's two terms in office, we:
Captured Ramzi Yousef;
Arrested and convicted Wali Khan Amin Shah;
Initiated a grand jury investigation of bin Laden in New York;
Uncovered his network in 56 countries;
Pressured Sudan to expel him;
Garnered the cooperation of Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl regarding Al Qaeda's organization and how it operates;
Convicted Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah;
Arrested Mohamed al-'Owhali and got him to confess to his role in the embassy bombing;
Fired Tomahawk missiles at a suspected Al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, which was suspected of producing chemical weapons for bin Laden (I don't think I have to tell you how the Right criticized that one);
Arrested Ali Mohamed and got his cooperation regarding bin Laden;
Thwarted an attack on Los Angeles International Airport by arresting Ahmed Ressam when he was caught entering the U.S. with 130 pounds of explosives
But nooooo, Clinton just let bin Laden and his gang of terrorists get away without doing anything according to these bozos.
Facts don't matter in their world. Thank goodness I don't live in it -- it sounds like a very scary place to try to maintain sanity.
I posted the full text of that article 3 times, and the pertinent conclusion once already in this thread. They don't care.
No, you dont care, because I have already debunked your response and you keep posting and repeating the link as if it holds any validity to your argument. It does not!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill61
But like our current President, he was damned when he did, and now damned when he didn't.
Did you switch back to the topic of Bush, or are you still crying because people point out problems with Clinton?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill61
And that's not all we did. ALSO already posted in this thread, during President Clinton's two terms in office, we:
Captured Ramzi Yousef;
Arrested and convicted Wali Khan Amin Shah;
Initiated a grand jury investigation of bin Laden in New York;
Uncovered his network in 56 countries;
Pressured Sudan to expel him;
Garnered the cooperation of Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl regarding Al Qaeda's organization and how it operates;
Convicted Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah;
Arrested Mohamed al-'Owhali and got him to confess to his role in the embassy bombing;
Fired Tomahawk missiles at a suspected Al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, which was suspected of producing chemical weapons for bin Laden (I don't think I have to tell you how the Right criticized that one);
Arrested Ali Mohamed and got his cooperation regarding bin Laden;
Thwarted an attack on Los Angeles International Airport by arresting Ahmed Ressam when he was caught entering the U.S. with 130 pounds of explosives
But nooooo, Clinton just let bin Laden and his gang of terrorists get away without doing anything according to these bozos.
Facts don't matter in their world. Thank goodness I don't live in it -- it sounds like a very scary place to try to maintain sanity.
How did any of the above stop bin Laden? Remember the topic?
I guess we can be thankful for Clinton, because if it wasnt for all of the actions taken above, the WTC might have been bombed by airplanes killing thousands of individuals or something.. Good thing that never happened...
Have you heard the U.S. is not running the oil over there? They're on their own now in that area.
They were ALWAYS on their own in that area..
Quote:
Originally Posted by theolsarge
My request for links had to do with your last boast about Obama personally controlling no bid contracts.
I didnt make the claim, nor do I have a problem with most no-bid contracts, considering that very few of these contracts actually have "real" qualified competition. But indeed Obama has given out lots of no-bid contracts while discussing the fact that he wishes to change the practice.
Newsmax.com - No-Bid Stimulus Contracts Wasting Millions (http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/stimulus_contracts/2009/07/18/237250.html - broken link)
more than $543 million in federal contracts have been awarded so far without competition under Obama's $787 billion stimulus program.
Quote:
Originally Posted by theolsarge
Yes, The New York Times is good enough, I've subscribed for several years now.
Always glad to find a source the people agree with..
Clinton didn't even recognise that the first wrold trade bombing was a terroriest attack and hasd antion security involved;he viewed it has a local law enforcement problem.
The time for Bush bashing is long over. I have been anti-Bush ever since he was "appointed" President, but crying over spilt milk does none of us any good. We need to focus on where do we want to go from here, and how do we get there.
That's fine but try to be accurate. Bush was not "appointed" President...he won the 2000 election with 271 electoral votes. Even with the Florida Supreme Court changing the rules after an election, Bush still won Florida.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
