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one would assume that the entire country is against this escalation. But a news poll the other day claimed that the country is about evenly divided on Obama's action.
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Open Left - A new poll on Afghanistan is out, the first one to ever ask a direct, three-way question on American troop levels in the country:
"Thinking now about Afghanistan, do you think the number of U.S. military forces in Afghanistan should be increased, decreased, or kept about the same?" Increased: 34% Decreased: 29% About the same: 32% Unsure: 5%. It seems to show that public opinion on the matter is pretty soft and generally undecided. Really, the country is almost evenly divided three ways.
So what is the real truth. To be truthful I don't even recognize truth anymore even when it's staring me in the face, I'm that confused on all this. Maybe the brain is wired to go into a daze when info overload strikes.
Let me reiterate: according to the poll, if "kept the same" had to make a choice, they'd probably decided on escalation. That puts the majority of the American people on the side of sending in more troops. If that's the will of the people then Obama is not erring in his decision, despite any campaign promises to the contrary. Clearly, the majority are for this deeper involvement. Or am I wrong?
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one would assume that the entire country is against this escalation. But a news poll the other day claimed that the country is about evenly divided on Obama's action.
So what is the real truth. To be truthful I don't even recognize truth anymore even when it's staring me in the face, I'm that confused on all this. Maybe the brain is wired to go into a daze when info overload strikes.
I am against escalation but I will wait until tomorrow night to hear what his plans are!
To be honest, I wasn't terribly impressed with that letter. I read it word for word, and I thought Moore came off about as scatter-brained as one would expect from one of Obama's uneducated far-right detractors, not a far-left supporter who supposedly has some measure of intelligence. I've never had a high opinion of Michael Moore, but if that's the best he can do in a letter to the President, then no wonder he has such a large following of dimwits on the left.
I think the real truth about whether or not to send more troops to Afghanistan is
1. We want President Obama to do the right thing.
2. No one - including President Obama - knows exactly what the right thing is.
Afghanistan is very complex, no doubt. But its a stretch of the imagination to think that President Obama knows any more about war and leading a nation than Candidate Obama did. That's the scary part. Given his total inexperience, i'm inclined to believe the generals on the ground know infinitely more than the armchair quarterbacks in DC, who by virture of political connection, know nothing about conducting a war.
Afghanistan is very complex, no doubt. But its a stretch of the imagination to think that President Obama knows any more about war and leading a nation than Candidate Obama did. That's the scary part. Given his total inexperience, i'm inclined to believe the generals on the ground know infinitely more than the armchair quarterbacks in DC, who by virture of political connection, know nothing about conducting a war.
Well you can't use his inexperience as a foil against him. Our government is set up to insure that civilians control the military not the other way around. Checks and balances and all that. Don't forget that Obama has many sources of intelligence beyond just the military. Based on your posts, I feel you just want to pin some sort of negativity on Obama even though he hasn't made an announcement of what his solutions are.
Look, everyone, Left, Right, or Center. A stabalized Afghanistan is in ALL our best interests, including the rest of the world's. right now we have 68,000 troops there. NATO has another 47,000. It's not just Obama's war.
When you wanted something done right the first time you should have elected Ron Paul. We would have gotten the troops out and might even gotten some economic freedom in the process. Of course the concept of less military bases in the world and small government is to "insane" for socialists like Moore and "common socialist dreams.org". A vote for a libertarian/old right republican we would have been out of Iraq and the rest of the world by now. Guess those young people who liked Ron Paul but got blindsided by a smooth talking politician Obama might think twice about voting for Big Government ideology. Things like freedom and small government might actually be appealing instead of "being at part of history" so they could vote for the first black president who is actually only 1/2 black.
Seems to me history repeats itself when people vote those who promise bigger government and offer hope to use government power of any kind. Too bad Michael Moore hasn't figured that out yet either and thinks capitalism with big government will fix greed. Who do you think is more greedy then all of them. Government steals more money from people then any company that ever employed people. SOME!!!!! CEO's might make some big bonuses but that company does employ people and they do make or deliver a service. Also by choice the American people choose to buy it or don't, last time I checked taxes are not a choice and just how much taxes they take can all be a matter of a few pen strokes from the same government who steal if from you. So while the liberals think the golden boy was the next coming of Marx I knew all along the type of people who seek to lead a nation into more government power over individuals are usually the worst ones of them all.
Ron Paul who over and over again before the election, before the war even started told us never to go in the first place and voted that way every time. Words like the following the constitution and individual liberty and economic freedom were just to liberating a concept. Everyone was more interested in finding ways to control other peoples money, who you can marry and how many troops were sending where. Of course they ignored Ron Paul as he told them we are 9 trillion in debt where is the money going to coming from. He told us the dollar would fall, the economic stimilus wont work and will just prolong the pain and gold would rise. Hmmm seems he was right there too. To bad the nation has no idea where our money comes from, its value which is just how the government likes it... a nation of stupid people thanks to the "free" public education system.
While all this goes on records are hacked showing global warming scientist tampering or not showing data on cooling of course another thing I'm sure they will still hope we all just ignore.
The Truth hurts, as liberals and even Michael Moore who is so good at trying to telling republicans and government what the truth is has found himself asking one question. How can I get myself out of this mess and still look like a liberal who advises the sheep left on who to vote for? (Moore supported Obama)
Still thinking Government health care is appealing. To those who don't have insurance it it sounds like the next greatest thing since sliced bread. To everyone left paying the bill and dealing with the red tape politics and government regulations it will be a nightmare we can't change or wake up from. Government cant run a war, the economy and I don't think they could even run a lemonade stand. But hey liberals you made history but unfortunately it keeps on repeating even if you have a D next to the name. Bail outs, more war and repeating the same lines. Almost sounds like Bush. Stay the course, liberals stay the course.
Osama Bin Laden was correct, America does not have the stomach for a fight.
According to the polls America DOES have the stomach for a fight as the majority of Americans want Obama to escalate our involvement, right or wrong---but Americans are famous for voting AGAINST their best interests time after time after time. So why should a few on the left be surprised if the majority shoot themselves in the foot yet again?
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