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View Poll Results: Was religion established to control people?
Yes 38 62.30%
No 23 37.70%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-30-2009, 11:13 PM
 
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Religion and Government used to be one in the same so was it not created to control the masses?
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:25 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Respectfully, I think this thread belongs in the religion forum section.

I prefer the 10 Commandments to, among other things, the 2000-plus page socialist monstrosity otherwise known as the health care reform bill that would force everyone to buy health insurance or face huge fines and likely time in jail.

Thanks just the same, but I'm with the Pope, Fr. Oscar and Msgr. Dan, instead of Pelosi, Reid and Obama. One more thing: Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming is practically the offical state religion of California.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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Religion and Government used to be one in the same so was it not created to control the masses?
I really don't think it's as simple as all that... It's also surely not the case that religion and governance have been synonymous throughout history; the strength of the relationship between the two has varied across time and across cultures. Certainly, there are civilizations in which religion and government were closely related and interdependent, but they were not one and the same except, perhaps, for a few instances.

As for the reason for the creation and evolution of the various religions, since many predate written history it's really speculative. I would wager, and I'm guessing that there's quite a bit of literature in anthropology that would lend support to this, that religions initially arose as a means of explaining the unexplainable. Think about it; ancient societies didn't have modern science, they didn't have the scientific method and most didn't have any formal system of logical reasoning mapped out. The world was big, scary, complex and utterly confusing. Religion provided comfort and seemingly reasonable explanations... as time went on, institutions arose around religion and with those institutions came power and vested interest. And the rest is history.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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Respectfully, I think this thread belongs in the religion forum section.
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The thread is about religion and government so its appropriate for this forum.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:13 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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It just seemed at first that the O.P. was placing a greater emphasis on the religion angle than on the politics/government angle. Maybe he/she will throw this fish hook over in the religion forum section as well and see how the bites over there compare/contrast to over here. Anyhoo...it'll be interesting to see how others answer this complex question.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:24 AM
 
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Default Was religion established and continued to control people?

Yes
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:02 AM
 
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I really don't think it's as simple as all that... It's also surely not the case that religion and governance have been synonymous throughout history; the strength of the relationship between the two has varied across time and across cultures. Certainly, there are civilizations in which religion and government were closely related and interdependent, but they were not one and the same except, perhaps, for a few instances.

As for the reason for the creation and evolution of the various religions, since many predate written history it's really speculative. I would wager, and I'm guessing that there's quite a bit of literature in anthropology that would lend support to this, that religions initially arose as a means of explaining the unexplainable. Think about it; ancient societies didn't have modern science, they didn't have the scientific method and most didn't have any formal system of logical reasoning mapped out. The world was big, scary, complex and utterly confusing. Religion provided comfort and seemingly reasonable explanations... as time went on, institutions arose around religion and with those institutions came power and vested interest. And the rest is history.

The only problem with your line of reasoning is Bible prophesy some 2500 years old being fulfilled at the correct time in our recent history (May 14, 1948). It's easy enough to speculate that accounts of prophesy that apply to events in ancient history could have been recorded after the fact. The rebirth of the modern state of Israel defies this explanation and leaves only three possibilities. The first is that the ancient Jews were able to guess some two and a half thousand years into the future when Israel would be reestablished. The second is that Britain, Russia and the US timed the end of WWII to coincide with the required time of Israel's rebirth, or third, God actually does exist and He is in fact the God of the Bible.

Israel's Rebirth in 1948 fortold by Ezekiel
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:04 AM
 
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Religion and Government used to be one in the same so was it not created to control the masses?

No, that is what Liberalism is currently used for
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:15 AM
 
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Respectfully, I think this thread belongs in the religion forum section.

I prefer the 10 Commandments to, among other things, the 2000-plus page socialist monstrosity otherwise known as the health care reform bill that would force everyone to buy health insurance or face huge fines and likely time in jail.

Thanks just the same, but I'm with the Pope, Fr. Oscar and Msgr. Dan, instead of Pelosi, Reid and Obama. One more thing: Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming is practically the offical state religion of California.
Well unfortunately they have been called on the carpet for much of the usual vulgarity, insults, and filth/foul language that in the past characterized many of their posts down in that section and they are not able to publish their religious views there anymore the way they see fit. Hence you should expect a whole lot more of these types of hate threads to surface here and in the Great debates section. Just a heads up.

As far as the Poll, it appears to be slanted for only one option one way or another. But traditionally in the past, religion and politics have been in bed together, so no getting around that. But I think that is about to change soon with secularist religion gaining control and ridding other religious global competition once and for all. That is why Atheistic Evangelism is so on the rise.
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Religion and Government used to be one in the same so was it not created to control the masses?

When government and the state religion were one in the same, yes. That is one big reason why our country was founded.

Your question now should be, was our government created by our founding fathers to control people as it is attempting today.

The answer is no and people had better wake up to that fact.

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