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Old 12-01-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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This is EXCELLENT news.

I hope that we can extend love and equality to all these people!
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:44 PM
 
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All of the ones I know are....
Statisticians are well-aware of the unfortunate tendency for many people to believe that their individual experience represents the majority.

If you only know liberal Democrats, then that indicates to me that you must not know very many, or that your definition of liberal is skewed.

Twenty-two percent of Democrats call themselves conservative; only thirty-eight percent call themselves liberal:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Co...cal-Group.aspx
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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The D.C. Council voted in favor of same-sex marriage on Tuesday, moving Washington, D.C., a big step closer to becoming the first jurisdiction below the Mason-Dixon Line to allow full civil equality for gays and lesbians.

Gay Marriage Poised for Approval in Nation's Capital - ABC News

If Republicans still controlled Congress, I bet they would put a stop to this. (I'm glad they're not in control!)
Good for them, I mean why bother even trying to deal with the issues of representation. As some in our government have shown us, representation is just a stupid word to pass off to idiots who don't get it. The good news here is that a few people decided that their opinion was far more important than those they represent and anyone who disagrees.

Well... to quote Mel Brooks "Oh p-i-ss boy!"
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:53 PM
 
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Good for them, I mean why bother even trying to deal with the issues of representation. As some in our government have shown us, representation is just a stupid word to pass off to idiots who don't get it. The good news here is that a few people decided that their opinion was far more important than those they represent and anyone who disagrees.

Well... to quote Mel Brooks "Oh p-i-ss boy!"
You mean like representing you and the views of the majority?

I do not think we should EVER be able to vote on the rights of the minority when it comes down to these things.

People will always be anti gay or anti gay marriage but that does not mean gay people should not have the protection of their union. I know several people who are personally against gay marriage but would vote FOR it because it is not their right to tell others what to do and also that gay marriage has no affect on them whatsoever. I would not like people voting on MY marriage. (I am straight by the way).

This is why I am for gay marriage. I actually read this story on the internet a few weeks ago about a man who was denied seeing his partner of 40 some years in the hospital. Now, you don't have to be pro gay marriage or pro gay to think that perhaps they deserved to be together in the dying mans last few minutes.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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No they don't......California voted it down and they are very liberal and it was black liberals that helped to vote it down.
Ca is not as liberal as you think. although the coastal areas and major cities are "blue", the rest of the state is "cherry red". the CA campaign was fraught with outright deception and lies perpetrated by the mormons, catholics and other right wing fanactics. that's why Prop 8 went to defeat.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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To me "liberal" means Bill Maher type attitude. And I don't know anyone like that.

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It's a myth that California is "very liberal". Most Californians call themselves moderate or conservative, not liberal. I know that some people like to bash California for being liberal, but it's obviously just an attempt to make moderate positions appear to be liberal. This has been the goal of conservatives for a very long time: Make it so that even moderate positions are labeled "liberal" in order to shift the entire country's ideology to a more conservative position. Today's Republican Party would probably not accept Richard Nixon in their party - he would have been labeled too liberal.

Californians who call themselves:

Conservative - 33%
Moderate - 38%
Liberal - 26%

Political Ideology: "Conservative" Label Prevails in the South
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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Good for them, I mean why bother even trying to deal with the issues of representation. As some in our government have shown us, representation is just a stupid word to pass off to idiots who don't get it. The good news here is that a few people decided that their opinion was far more important than those they represent and anyone who disagrees.
Sorry, Charlie, but some things aren't up for a vote. It's a matter of human rights, according to the D.C. Board of Ethics and Elections:

A measure to let voters decide whether to ban same-sex marriages in D.C. cannot go on the ballot because it would violate a city human rights law, the Board of Elections and Ethics ruled Tuesday.

D.C. board won't allow gay marriage ban on ballot - USATODAY.com
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:32 PM
 
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You mean like representing you and the views of the majority?

I do not think we should EVER be able to vote on the rights of the minority when it comes down to these things.

People will always be anti gay or anti gay marriage but that does not mean gay people should not have the protection of their union. I know several people who are personally against gay marriage but would vote FOR it because it is not their right to tell others what to do and also that gay marriage has no affect on them whatsoever. I would not like people voting on MY marriage. (I am straight by the way).

This is why I am for gay marriage. I actually read this story on the internet a few weeks ago about a man who was denied seeing his partner of 40 some years in the hospital. Now, you don't have to be pro gay marriage or pro gay to think that perhaps they deserved to be together in the dying mans last few minutes.
A right to redefine a word?

If the gay movement got behind the logic of simple legal rights (civil unions), they might have a bit more success (and some states have). Ignoring the majority and using backdoor tactics to usurp the voice of the people will only make this movement sour for even those who do not have such an opinion on the subject. I know some who were passively supportive, but now are actively against.
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:44 PM
 
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Sorry, Charlie, but some things aren't up for a vote. It's a matter of human rights, according to the D.C. Board of Ethics and Elections:

A measure to let voters decide whether to ban same-sex marriages in D.C. cannot go on the ballot because it would violate a city human rights law, the Board of Elections and Ethics ruled Tuesday.

D.C. board won't allow gay marriage ban on ballot - USATODAY.com
It isn't a right, just as I don't have a right to change the meaning of educated to mean stupid because I see so many people educated that are so stupid using my opinion as the basis.

You do not approach solutions by redefining words. It is a very poor approach and misses the entire point of the issue. The issue is legal rights that are not covered by current laws. you approach the laws and have the laws recognize the addition so that it properly provides relevance.

Or... keep trying to hijack a word and keep being disappointed when the people vote it out (as has happened several times already). There comes a time when you realize something isn't working and approach it differently.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:32 PM
 
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I look forward to the day when same-sex marriage occurs in all fifty states. Equal rights for all!
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